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Yup Phenom II was "fine" on release and probably would have been "great" had it been released 6-9 months earlier. It probably could have been too, if it weren't for the hideously long Agena/Phenom 1 delay thanks to AMD's determination to release a "real" quad-core.
wasn't a big part of that GloFlo letting them down?
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I pray the clutch is not slipping like the fx cpu.... lachen.gif

Hu. wink.gif
That's an interesting analogy but when you look at the FX's performance today, in DX12, highly threaded apps ect. it's a bit different.
A better analogy would be that the tires were spinning without traction. Pave the road and all of a sudden Intel's super swampers aren't destroying the competition as they were when the road was a mud trail.

And of course no one wants to use slicks in a mud bog tongue.gif Additionally, who rips up a paved road to create a mud bog?

OT
If Zen had Ivy equivalent IPC I'd still be on it, 8 cores of Ivy should stand up for a while. Any additional IPC is the cherry on top.
I'll be getting Zen because I'm a hipster who's actually a non-hipster being a hipster pretending to be a non-hipster but while being very hipsterish.

Plus, I'm sick of intel.
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I was throwing together a gamer for a mate with spare parts and had the option of a G3258 or an 860k. I couldn't in good conscience give him the Pentium knowing he'd not be using the Z97 board to upgrade any time soon. I hated giving up the 860k but replaced it with an 845 which softened the blow. coolsmiley03.png

May I ask your thoughts on the 845? I am looking to replace a core 2 quad e8200 in a htpc.
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wasn't a big part of that GloFlo letting them down?
GloFlo didn't exist at that point in time. AMD still owned their own fabs. The 65nm process for Phenom I had already been established with the Athlon 64 ~two years prior, so that wouldn't have been a problem. The issue was AMD was too proud to just glue two dual-core dies on a single package like Intel, so they wasted a huge amount of time developing a monolithic quad-core, that then made its debut with the crippling TLB-bug, which set AMD even further back.
post #55 of 57
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May I ask your thoughts on the 845? I am looking to replace a core 2 quad e8200 in a htpc.
it would be a huge upgrade to the q8200 and a solid chip for HTPC if you wanted to keep using a dedicated GPU. If you wanted to ditch the dGPU entirely I'd get this guy http://pcpartpicker.com/product/nqYXsY/amd-cpu-ad7600ybjabox just a few bucks more than the 845 on newegg
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Originally Posted by AmericanLoco View Post

GloFlo didn't exist at that point in time. AMD still owned their own fabs. The 65nm process for Phenom I had already been established with the Athlon 64 ~two years prior, so that wouldn't have been a problem. The issue was AMD was too proud to just glue two dual-core dies on a single package like Intel, so they wasted a huge amount of time developing a monolithic quad-core, that then made its debut with the crippling TLB-bug, which set AMD even further back.
ah I was thinking gloflo had already spun off by that time
post #56 of 57
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Originally Posted by AmericanLoco View Post

GloFlo didn't exist at that point in time. AMD still owned their own fabs. The 65nm process for Phenom I had already been established with the Athlon 64 ~two years prior, so that wouldn't have been a problem. The issue was AMD was too proud to just glue two dual-core dies on a single package like Intel, so they wasted a huge amount of time developing a monolithic quad-core, that then made its debut with the crippling TLB-bug, which set AMD even further back.

All of this...

Barcelona (Phenom I) was a total nightmare. The poor performance, the TLB bug and the initial poor yields put AMD at a major disadvantage to the "Core" products that Intel was selling. The Q6600 was just murdering any chance they had to gain market share in the "quad core" segment. Then after intel introduced the SLACR revision of the Q6600, the hole was dug even deeper.

Hopefully the new architecture will be Athlon64 2.0
 
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post #57 of 57
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May I ask your thoughts on the 845? I am looking to replace a core 2 quad e8200 in a htpc.

 

It's a great little processor, handles reasonable tasking very well and runs cool on average duty. If you plan to keep a dGPU in your HTPC it's a great option IMO. 

     
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