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That's not really interesting for gaming.

Neither are CPUs.
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It's a shame that we have to choose between 6+ cores OR 4 more efficient & newer cores.
Ideally Skylake-E should have released alongside Skylake.

Well the bigger end of the spectrum has always been a bit late.
Q1 2011 for i7-2600K (Sandy Bridge), Q4 2011 for i7-3960X (Sandy Bridge E)
Q2 2012 for i7-3770K (Ivy Bridge), Q3 2013 for i7-4960X forgot the reason why this took so damn long...

Either ways its always been almost a year wait for the consumer mainstream to get the "enthusiast" treatment.
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One year after BW-E. About June 2017.

Wait I understand you as you are asking about SKY-X. SKY-X is in June 2017. Kabby-X would be highly likely released the same month. (About what you literally asked, I suggest to review current Intel's naming convention.)

So we're not longer gonna call them Blah Blah Blah - E? Its now Blah Blah Blah - X?

I was on the knife edge of upgrading to Asus mATX X99 WS with i7-6800K. But I realized it wasn't my CPU, or me doing the delid wrong etc etc and just the cooler and so I can hold out for a bit longer. So yeah I'm looking for the big boy Skylake.
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I was on the knife edge of upgrading to Asus mATX X99 WS with i7-6800K. But I realized it wasn't my CPU, or me doing the delid wrong etc etc and just the cooler and so I can hold out for a bit longer. So yeah I'm looking for the big boy Skylake.

Yup and they'd probably grab kabby print them on SKY-X line, and package them to produce 4 core CPUs on socket 2066. I'm not sure if they would weld them, or we would have thermal paste on Kabby-X.

I really liked that MB. It took me 3 months to decide between 6600K and 5820K. It was only 1 month+ delivery time for higher end MB that prevented me. (And then refrigerator broke, and I kinda use the money difference to buy new one and 3 year extended warranty.) I wanted X99-M WS/SE, but shop said they must theirs supplier to ask him to place order, and it would take at least month before he would get it.

But X-99M has great fins, and I wonder if Asus would create some thing as cheap, yet durable, reliable, and WS certified for SKY-X. And cheaper, nearly identical just without WiFi, version is a nice bonus.
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Neither are CPUs.
Planetside 2.
GTA IV
GTA V
HOI4.
Crusader Knights II.
Minecraft.
Dwarven Fortress.
Majority of simulations.
(I know Rome 2 works awesomely on G3583, but there are other strategies that requires quite a bit of cores.)
BTW what are new requirements for PS3 emulator? While I changed paste on my second hand PS3, it will go down, and I'd like to be able to play atelier games on PC. Or Tales of Xila, or Demon's Souls.

A lot of games require a lot of CPU power. It was just older games where developers cheated and didn't activate environment until player arrived, then added stuff to feel right even when it wasn't entirely simulated. The problem is it should be simulated in a lot of cases. (For example in GTA V, there is really no point in not simulating the traffic in the whole city. It's just Rockstar that can't do stuff I programmed when I was high school dropout for health reasons.)
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post #104 of 106
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Planetside 2.
GTA IV
GTA V
HOI4.
Crusader Knights II.
Minecraft.
Dwarven Fortress.
Majority of simulations.
(I know Rome 2 works awesomely on G3583, but there are other strategies that requires quite a bit of cores.)
BTW what are new requirements for PS3 emulator? While I changed paste on my second hand PS3, it will go down, and I'd like to be able to play atelier games on PC. Or Tales of Xila, or Demon's Souls.

A lot of games require a lot of CPU power. It was just older games where developers cheated and didn't activate environment until player arrived, then added stuff to feel right even when it wasn't entirely simulated. The problem is it should be simulated in a lot of cases. (For example in GTA V, there is really no point in not simulating the traffic in the whole city. It's just Rockstar that can't do stuff I programmed when I was high school dropout for health reasons.)

Much of the sort of work you mention here (AI and traffic simulation) is parallelizable, and could be written to take advantage of TLP, so more cores, or better SMT, are potential solutions...not to mention much more viable than trying to extract miraculous generational ILP gains or huge jumps in clock speed without any sacrifices.
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I think it is pretty clear what Intel's focus is - mobile and ultraportable.

 

In that respect, from Haswell-Y to Broadwell-Y the improvement in overall performance per watt and graphics performance was massive, from Broadwell-Y to Skylake-Y there was an immense graphics performance boost, and it looks that Skylake-Y to Kaby Lake-Y the power savings and turbo clock speeds have been pushed quite substantially.

 

The perspective is quite different down there than it is from the mainstream and high end desktop platforms.

   
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People criticizes Intel, as if they know of some other company producing better cpus.
Kaby Lake will be 10% faster than Skylake (more or less), and Z280 will have better features than Z170.
Zen won't come close to a 7700K on gaming, and that's not difficult to figure out.
Will Kaby Lake bottleneck Pascal or Volta? I believe it won't. Neither Skylake would.
Problem is that people want to upgrade on every single generation, even when they don't need it.

This.

People want 50% gains on a yearly basis... It isn't going to happen and they need to accept that.
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