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[AMD Investor Presentation - August 2016] - Vega still 6-10 months away

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#1 ·
I took a screenshot of the relevant part and added a red arrow to show the Vega release timeframe:



Usually if a company says "1H" instead of "1Q" that means towards the end of the first half, realistically looking at April, May, or June release 2017. So best case 8 months from now, worst 10 months.

That's an awful long time to give Nvidia the high-end. Won't Volta be out around then anyway?

Full presentation here: https://app.scoutfin.com/document.html?id=57c01d11fcd1d0bb759fd048&_branch_match_id=297670879870932296
 
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Wow, good find. Hopefully they get lots of investment and keep the competition going
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#3 ·
Based on my county's reception of Polaris RX480:
1. MSRP $250 GTX1060 6GB is cheaper than
MSRP $229 RX480 8GB Reference
2. We didn't run out of stocks for reference RX480

Volta will destroy Vega if AMD is taking their time.
I know i am not buying AMD's GPU until Nvidia released
theirs to get a better bargain or pre-order a GPU..
 
#6 ·
I wonder if the Volta schedule change is a sign that Nvidia thinks it will take GV104 to compete with Vega?

If I was AMD I would pull out all the stops for Vega, they really need a performance win. Even slightly beating GP104 would not be very exciting in 6-10 months.
 
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It's not like they've launches several Polaris cards and are launching their biggest revision in CPUs ever in a few months with a budget that's little more than half of Nvidias..
480 have been matched by 1060 6GB and 470 by 1060 3 GB, in 1 month 1050 4GB will come out at $149(based on most recent leaks) to counter 460, when that happens AMD will have no product line advantage on low end and mainstream market while having no product to compete with Nvidia at the high end and enthusiastic market for another 5-9 month
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It's not like they've launches several Polaris cards and are launching their biggest revision in CPUs ever in a few months with a budget that's little more than half of Nvidias..
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Sorry but launching a $200 dollar card which uses more power than the competitions and is slower is not something you should defend (inb4 MUH VALKENNNNN)

Yeah i understand it was a grab at marketshare but anyone wanting something above RX-480/R9-390x performance where stuck buying the last gen fury series

not impressed and it looks like this is set to continue for at least another 4-5months unless they suddenly announce something.
 
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480 have been matched by 1060 6GB and 470 by 1060 3 GB, in 1 month 1050 4GB will come out at $149 to counter 460, when that happens AMD will have no product line advantage on low end and mainstream market while having no product to compete with Nvidia at the high end and enthusiastic market for another 5-9 month
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You know.. . Nvidia is supose to lunch asynch compute driver sources claim. Until that:



Fury-X is much faster than GTX 1070
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#11 ·
Even though it feels like a calculated move with what intentions is anyone's guess, but if AMD does not bring something that competes with Volta, AMD should be pretty ashamed of themselves with their incompetency.
 
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Good point.

But anyway great performance from day 1. My guess is DX 12 version will put even more presure on Nvidia.
The game itself has terrible optimization on both graphics card vendors. It's a very poorly made console port.
 
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The game itself has terrible optimization on both graphics card vendors. It's a very poorly made console port.
Anyways my friend upgraded from GTX 970 to 1070. I've tried to convince him to buy 390 before he got geforce GTX 970, and now performance is really terrible.
The min frame rate is the same on the Fury X and the 1070. There is nothing from AMD that would help your friend run Dues Ex any better than a 1070.

I do not understand your point, did you want your friend to get a Fury X instead of the 1070?
 
#19 ·
The choice pretty much is:
StutterPascal or SlowPolaris...

AMD has pretty much turned into: Advanced Mining Devices
For gaming AMD is barely scratching at the low end - mainstream with their overpriced 4xx, lacking supply, not so good performance, neither good performance/power.

The Hitman/DX engine is poor IMHO. Runs slow on anything. But it goes with the DX tradition where the engine of all DX titles always tanked any current GPU and game was almost unplayable (<60fps) on mainstream cards.

AMD needs to be at least attacking price wise but they aren't because stupid miners hike the prices to the sky.
 
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The choice pretty much is:
StutterPascal or SlowPolaris...
That's why i got a cheap 980ti that will hold me over very well till Volta/Navi.
 
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The choice pretty much is:
StutterPascal or SlowPolaris...
Yup. The only two cards worth upgrading to are the 1080 and the Titan X... and I'm coming from a 290x. The 1080 and stuttering nonsense is too much of a risk, and the Titan X is just downright too expensive.

I know they are very budget constrained and all, but this is clearly going to hurt them in the long term.
 
#22 ·
Seems like HMB is still too expensive... I'd imagine we see nVidia HMB and Vega at about the same time.
 
#24 ·
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>Async

>DX11 benchmark

>ASYNC IN DX11.
You should remind Nvidia. Do you not realized that Nvidia showed "Async Compute" using the DX11 API during a live presentation. Your post falls flat. I see what you mean with DX11 and Async, but I literally laughed at Nvidia during that presentation.

It's not the end of the world for me if I have to wait for Vega to compete with Nvidia. At this point AMD knows people will purchase their favorite brand no matter what they do so I suppose there's no real need to rush anything out. The Fury X was neck and neck with the GTX 980 Ti on Day 1 and even beat the Titan X and 980 Ti @ 4K in some games with the 4GB HBM limitation, Did that stop people from complaining? Heck no.

Also what's the news on the RX 490? I thought that would drop in the meantime until Vega was ready.
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

The choice pretty much is:
StutterPascal or SlowPolaris...

AMD has pretty much turned into: Advanced Mining Devices
For gaming AMD is barely scratching at the low end - mainstream with their overpriced 4xx, lacking supply, not so good performance, neither good performance/power.

The Hitman/DX engine is poor IMHO. Runs slow on anything. But it goes with the DX tradition where the engine of all DX titles always tanked any current GPU and game was almost unplayable (<60fps) on mainstream cards.

AMD needs to be at least attacking price wise but they aren't because stupid miners hike the prices to the sky.
The RX products are trickling in. Smart retailers are pricing up the cards, especially early on. You can get the cards at close to msrp right now. Shop around, its not like the cards are vaporware currently.
 
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The min frame rate is the same on the Fury X and the 1070. There is nothing from AMD that would help your friend run Dues Ex any better than a 1070.

I do not understand your point, did you want your friend to get a Fury X instead of the 1070?
No his point was if he had bought the 390 instead of the 970 in the past...he would have had more passable performance in games today as opposed to feeling jaded his "top of the line" card already needs replaced due to sub 30fps performace.

Edit: "top of the line" meaning in this case brand perception Vs performace reality
 
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