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Originally Posted by M1st View Post

How come? Small ambi mice with good sensors are super rare, large ergos however are everywhere.
There's a reason for that. Ergos are far more appealing to the average consumer, hence the overflow of such mice.
post #352 of 5937
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Originally Posted by itsn0mad View Post

There's a reason for that. Ergos are far more appealing to the average consumer, hence the overflow of such mice.

Are they? There have been plenty of extremely popular ambi shapes. Kinzu, Xai/Sensei, Rival 100, FK, ZA, G100s, g1, g3, mx300, WMO have all been fairly to very popular at one point of time or another. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like at one point in time the Xai/Sensei was one of the most popular mice in CS. There are certainly a lot of players that have used one at one point or another. Its not small, but its definitely not ergo.
post #353 of 5937
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Originally Posted by Melan View Post

Weight.
post #354 of 5937
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Originally Posted by chr1spe View Post

Are they? There have been plenty of extremely popular ambi shapes. Kinzu, Xai/Sensei, Rival 100, FK, ZA, G100s, g1, g3, mx300, WMO have all been fairly to very popular at one point of time or another. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like at one point in time the Xai/Sensei was one of the most popular mice in CS. There are certainly a lot of players that have used one at one point or another. Its not small, but its definitely not ergo.
Those are all quite popular, but consider that Logitech G's best selling mouse was the G502, and that the most popular gaming mouse right now is probably the Deathadder.
Meanwhile, the G303 didn't seem to sell very well, and you can't assume most potential buyers who decided against it were concerned about things like sensor rattle.
post #355 of 5937
^ lens rattle.
post #356 of 5937
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Originally Posted by chr1spe View Post

Are they? There have been plenty of extremely popular ambi shapes. Kinzu, Xai/Sensei, Rival 100, FK, ZA, G100s, g1, g3, mx300, WMO have all been fairly to very popular at one point of time or another. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like at one point in time the Xai/Sensei was one of the most popular mice in CS. There are certainly a lot of players that have used one at one point or another. Its not small, but its definitely not ergo.

It's rare to see a Kinzu. The Sensei was popular at one point because of contracts and marketing, but now it's rare to hear about or see a Sensei/Xai. The Rival 100 looks like a flop.

The G100s, G1, G3 type mice don't really have much of a following outside of Asia from what I have seen.

The FK is probably more popular than any ambidextrous mouse from SteelSeries at this point. The ZA seems to be a flop.

The WMO is by far the most popular mouse out of all the mice you mentioned. It appears you are more likely to see someone own a WMO than a Kinzu, Sensei/Xai or Rival 100.
post #357 of 5937
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Originally Posted by itsn0mad View Post

Those are all quite popular, but consider that Logitech G's best selling mouse was the G502, and that the most popular gaming mouse right now is probably the Deathadder.
Meanwhile, the G303 didn't seem to sell very well, and you can't assume most potential buyers who decided against it were concerned about things like sensor rattle.

The G303 had a very polarizing shape that isn't similar to anything else besides the G302 though. Also if you consider international sales I think the G100s probably sold more units than the G502. Well I'm almost certain it did over its entire life, but idk about just in the past 2 years the g502 has been out. I wouldn't be surprised if the G100s is the most sold "gaming" mouse all time worldwide, but I would certainly think it is top 5 or so. Also if we are talking about "pro" gaming which is definitely the target of the G Pro I don't think the DA is the most popular at least in CS. It is probably the EC2, but could be any of the Zowie models. Most of the ergo users only use the EC2 while there are also a lot of pros using the ZA11-13, and FK2. I don't think the EC1 or FK1 are really popular, but they also have some people using them. I would say that if you added up all the ZAs and FKs vs all the ECs the ECs would be less used though.
post #358 of 5937
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

It's rare to see a Kinzu. The Sensei was popular at one point because of contracts and marketing, but now it's rare to hear about or see a Sensei/Xai. The Rival 100 looks like a flop.

The G100s, G1, G3 type mice don't really have much of a following outside of Asia from what I have seen.

The FK is probably more popular than any ambidextrous mouse from SteelSeries at this point. The ZA seems to be a flop.

The WMO is by far the most popular mouse out of all the mice you mentioned. It appears you are more likely to see someone own a WMO than a Kinzu, Sensei/Xai or Rival 100.

Kinzus are rare now, but I thought they used to be fairly popular. Many teams have sponsorship deals still, but Astralis which is one of the top teams that doesn't have a sponsorship deal has someone using a Rival 100 and Snax from VP does as well though they are sponsored. I really don't see the ZA as a flop. off the top of my head Coldzera, S1mple, and Hiko all use the ZA. I'm sure there are plenty others, but those are some very large names from different regions. Tons of people seem to buy mice because they are what x, y, or z pro players uses it seems.
post #359 of 5937
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Originally Posted by RealSteelH6 View Post

^ lens rattle.
My bad.

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Originally Posted by chr1spe View Post

The G303 had a very polarizing shape that isn't similar to anything else besides the G302 though. Also if you consider international sales I think the G100s probably sold more units than the G502. Well I'm almost certain it did over its entire life, but idk about just in the past 2 years the g502 has been out. I wouldn't be surprised if the G100s is the most sold "gaming" mouse all time worldwide, but I would certainly think it is top 5 or so. Also if we are talking about "pro" gaming which is definitely the target of the G Pro I don't think the DA is the most popular at least in CS. It is probably the EC2, but could be any of the Zowie models. Most of the ergo users only use the EC2 while there are also a lot of pros using the ZA11-13, and FK2. I don't think the EC1 or FK1 are really popular, but they also have some people using them. I would say that if you added up all the ZAs and FKs vs all the ECs the ECs would be less used though.
We're talking about the average consumer, not pro players. The sales of Zowie mouse combined are probably half that of all DA sales. The average buyer has no idea who Zowie are.
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Originally Posted by itsn0mad View Post

My bad.
We're talking about the average consumer, not pro players. The sales of Zowie mouse combined are probably half that of all DA sales. The average buyer has no idea who Zowie are.

I probably should have put that differently. I don't think Logitech are targeting pros, but they are targeting the crowd that wants to use what pros use. Basically they want to compete with Zowie in the hltv "what mouse should I use" threads were people say get a zowie because that is what pros use.

Edit: Also plenty of people dislike the g502, but that is probably one of the more popular mice with general "gamers". Combining all DAs I'm sure those have sold more, but i wouldn't be surprised if the G502 had more sales in the past 2 years. You have to think about what the target audience for a specific mouse is to even begin to understand why these companies do the things they do.
Edited by chr1spe - 9/1/16 at 2:53pm
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