Originally Posted by TwoCables
Yeah, upgrading has become a little bit too cost-prohibitive unless you want to sacrifice some performance and go with AMD (or if you just want to use your money to vote for AMD, so to speak).
I like to believe that NVIDIA and Intel are forced to have high prices due to their own costs of manufacturing, advertising and merchandising their products. Not only do they have costlier manufacturing, but it seems they have more aggressive and fancier advertising, and their products seem to have a better presentation as well. Unfortunately, it seems that AMD isn't making enough money and doesn't have enough either to compete equally with Intel or NVIDIA.
So, many of us are forced to stay in the past and always by the best stuff of yesteryear.
I don't totally agree with you bro on the higher cost thing! I think the statement "forced higher prices due to higher costs" is a almost a false statement NVidia and intel uses to excuse their higher prices policy, they don't have an excuse! they can sell a bit cheaper with a bit less profit margin per item and still maintain their targeted overall profits by selling more quantities rather than selling less quantities with larger profit margin which is they are doing now and I think they prefer it this way! why is that not good? because their will be less high end gpus and cpus sold so their will be less gamers with high end pc's so their will be less potential for game sales then! or at least less innovative high end games with nice graphics and complex mechanics!
look at is this way, if I'm a game developer who wants to make a great game with great graphics and large open world, that game is gonna cost me much money so I have to sell many copies of it to be profitable, hmmm so if I look at the market and find that the larger chunk of pc gamers are still stuck with their get 960 while my game might need a gtx 1070 or a gtx 1080 to run probably why would I create it?! I wouldn't as I know I will lose money as no body is gonna buy it but the rich top 5% of gamers who owns this kind of expensive high end gpu's, so I will have to either dump down my game or don't do it even, but what if those high end gpus where cheaper and more and more gamers could have afforded them, then I can make my game and rest assured their are many potential buyers for my game with powerful enough PC's to buy my game, and then another game developer comes in to compete with my game with a better/more innovative game and another and another and here goes . . . better games for every one
<<< this is just an example of what cheaper performance would be of benefit to us all
hence: remember how ps3 and xbox 360 really hurt the innovation and development of better games by the end of their life cycle! (witcher 3 developers said it literally on why they didn't do witcher 3 for ps3/xbox 360 and waited for ps4/xbox one, because they would have to dump it down a lot then!) our pc's was able to push more and run better graphics games with larger worlds and more complex mechanics but we was stuck with dumped down games as developers wanted to be sure their games runs on ps3/xbox 360 as well as pc's, think of it this way and u will get my point, higher pc parts prices benefits no one but the greedy seller and specially hurts us the gamers and the game developers and the wholes pc gaming market in the long run!
and speaking of consoles lets look at the other side of the issue, we all know that pc's is the better platform for gaming (better graphics, better and cheaper games, more games . . . and the list goes) but given the current prohibitive gaming pc prices many will make it easy for themselves and just buy a console! I even think that's specially true this year (2016) in which I consider the worst year ever for the enthusiast pc gamers due to reasons we all know will be the year that many pc gamers might seriously consider moving to consoles specially with both ps4 neo and xbox scorpio incoming! this is really BAD for the pc gaming market and its not gonna be of benefit to both intel and SPICALLY NVidia as a large chunk of their profits comes from selling gaming gpu's!
so in conclusion this is my word to intel and NVidia: sell cheaper performance >> sell more >> more pc gamers >> more and better games >> pc gaming market thrives <<<<< and then we all benefit in the long run whether a gamer, game developer and the hardware manufacturer
ok if that's not enough reason here is another reason, lets have a look at the high end smart phones market in which I think is heathy atm due to fair competition (apple, Samsung, HTC, sony, LG . . . .)
each year we get significantly phones and phone prices never goes up! (galaxy s7> galaxy s6 > galaxy s5 > galaxy s4 > . . . .) << good for consumer
phones too costs a lot to produce, phones manufacturers too spend crazy on marketing and advertisement (hence: if it was for me Id rather a company spends more on a better product rather than on better advertisement)
compare the advertisements costs between NVidia/intel vs. phone manufacturers and its just a fraction, most of NVidia and intel marketing and advertising are web-based which doesn't cost that much compared to phone manufacturers TV ads, movie inclusions, conferences and shows, newspapers and magazines! for gods sake Samsung alone spends a fortune on their marketing campaigns and imho they don't need to advertise that hard as their phones are already known to be good ones!
and phones don't cost little! phones too cost money to make, better screens, better batteries, better cameras, better cores, higher quality bodies . . . . and moreover they are a very complex piece of tech to make as you have to be sure that every different part of your phone works perfectly with the other while the one certain purpose of a gaming gpu is gaming!
no bro, intel and NVidia don't have an excuse for higher prices! they both are turning into monsters hurting every body in the pc gaming market but themselves even hurting themselves in the long run if they keep on their higher pricing policy per year intact, maybe they don't know it yet but they will in time, when most gamers turn to ps4 neo and xbox scorpio when they come later this year as they find that their Maxwell/Kepler parts are obsolete and cant maintain 60 fps on the new holiday season games while both ps4 neo and xbox scorpio might be able to and still cheaper than a pascal gpu (and yea that's one more thing against NVidia on how their older gpus gets obsolete faster than their AMD counterparts don't know why exactly but it does!)
for gods sake AMD get back to the game, I my self will be the first to vote with my wallet if zen was better than my haswell-e and vega was better than my gtx1080 and im sure many like me will do the same