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It really bugs me that you guys ASSUME that they're just being greedy. What's your proof? I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they need to cover higher costs than they've ever had.

 

As we all know, everything is more expensive these days, and so think about it. You're a manufacturer and everything is more expensive these days. So of course, your manufacturing costs are higher.

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It really bugs me that you guys ASSUME that they're just being greedy. What's your proof? I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they need to cover higher costs than they've ever had.

As we all know, everything is more expensive these days, and so think about it. You're a manufacturer and everything is more expensive these days. So of course, your manufacturing costs are higher.


That is a sweeping statement

silicon itself is a lower price per ton than it was in 2010

actual manufacturing should be around the same if we are including inflation as generally its labour that drives the cost up not actual materials (made in china ect)

but it depends what you mean by "these days" compared to what other date?
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That is a sweeping statement

silicon itself is a lower price per ton than it was in 2010

actual manufacturing should be around the same if we are including inflation as generally its labour that drives the cost up not actual materials (made in china ect)

but it depends what you mean by "these days" compared to what other date?

 

You're taking me way too literally. I didn't mean it that literally.

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You know what though, I'm unsubscribed now because I don't really want to be a part of this bash-fest where everyone is assuming the only reason the prices are higher is because of greed. I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt, and so I can't be in this thread anymore.

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You know what though, I'm unsubscribed now because I don't really want to be a part of this bash-fest where everyone is assuming the only reason the prices are higher is because of greed. I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt, and so I can't be in this thread anymore.

Not greed just maximising profit due to the condition of the market and as i'm sure you know its been stale the last few generations so they don't have a reason to lower the prices at least

they're a business after all.

But i wouldn't give any multi-billion dollar corp the "benefit of the doubt" that is pretty naive.
Edited by kylzer - 8/28/16 at 7:40pm
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It really bugs me that you guys ASSUME that they're just being greedy. What's your proof? I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they need to cover higher costs than they've ever had.

As we all know, everything is more expensive these days, and so think about it. You're a manufacturer and everything is more expensive these days. So of course, your manufacturing costs are higher.

I just gave an example about smart phones bro (apple, Samsung, HTC . . . . . etc)

every year we get better, more features, higher quality phones with the same price as last year, hell and they get cheaper sometimes, galaxy s7 was cheaper than galaxy s6!

I'm not saying or comparing the cost of making phones to the cost of making cpu/gpu as I don't know which costs more, who knows! but phones don't cost little, and phone manufacturers live in the same world where their are inflation, material costs, salaries to pay, R&D . . . . .

so . . .
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and why smart phones market is healthy? because there is competition!

and that's my main point, I don't blame NVidia/intel for what they do they are a money making business after all not a charity, nobody can blame them for doing what they think is good for them, all I'm saying is that we seriously need a strong competitor (looking at u AMD!) to bring back the market to healthy status as if it went too long this way we all consumers are gonna hurt and the market as a whole in the long run!
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and why smart phones market is healthy? because there is competition!

HAH! That and mobile fits in the pocket...... Everyone has a phone or tablet, both maybe. Emulate old console games and stuff. Whata riot!

It's just so easy to compute on mobile. Doesn't even need to be competition. IF Apple was the only one on the market for mobile, everyone would still likely have one.
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I don't want to play Devils advocate here but Intel released Skylake in Q3 2015 and Nvidia released Pascal in Q2 2016 (almost a year apart) and we still got to wait till Q1 for Zen and something like Q2~Q3 for Vega. The truth of the matter is, the early bird gets the worm, and releasing competitive hardware years after your counterpart is bad for buisness.
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From what I have seen. Zen is about 11% slower the a i7 4790k core vs core and remember Zen is clocked lower then the i7 4790k. So I think AMD will have a good run with Zen.
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