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So as the title states can i know which one do you prefer and why?




P.S: the BenQ is 100$ more expensive than the LG, but please let the price the last factor in deciding as i would like the better monitor.


P.S.S: Buying locally.
Edited by Awsan - 8/29/16 at 4:44pm
     
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The BenQ has terrible image quality but with tweaks can offer marginally better blur reduction performance, but not enough to warrant a purchase, especially for 100$ more.
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LG if you want to run stock and only use blur reduction at 100hz and 120hz (There's a way to use DAS and motion 240 at the same time).
There are some pretty juicy firmware bugs on this monitor however.

http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2956
http://display-corner.epfl.ch/index.php/LG_24GM77
(note: the author of that review is Strobemaster).

Benq if you want 60hz strobing and want to strobe on a console and strobe at every conceivable refresh rate you can think of.
91hz? Check. 75hz? check. 100hz? check. 80hz? Check. 76hz? problematic. 50hz? Don't try it with single strobe=enabled or you may damage the backlight (single strobe data is missing).
You can also tweak a "hidden" AMA setting for blur reduction on to make it look much better (All of the benq monitors, including the XL2430T, but NOT the XL2730Z 1440p one), and blur reduction off (seems to not work on the XL2430T, still waiting for confirmation).

Note: the Benq quality is abysmal without tweaks. With tweaks, it's better than ULMB.
http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2467
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The BenQ has terrible image quality but with tweaks can offer marginally better blur reduction performance, but not enough to warrant a purchase, especially for 100$ more.

Yeah heard a lot that the Imagine quality is much better on the LG.
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Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post

LG if you want to run stock and only use blur reduction at 100hz and 120hz (There's a way to use DAS and motion 240 at the same time).
There are some pretty juicy firmware bugs on this monitor however.

http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2956
http://display-corner.epfl.ch/index.php/LG_24GM77
(note: the author of that review is Strobemaster).

Benq if you want 60hz strobing and want to strobe on a console and strobe at every conceivable refresh rate you can think of.
91hz? Check. 75hz? check. 100hz? check. 80hz? Check. 76hz? problematic. 50hz? Don't try it with single strobe=enabled or you may damage the backlight (single strobe data is missing).
You can also tweak a "hidden" AMA setting for blur reduction on to make it look much better (All of the benq monitors, including the XL2430T, but NOT the XL2730Z 1440p one), and blur reduction off (seems to not work on the XL2430T, still waiting for confirmation).

Note: the Benq quality is abysmal without tweaks. With tweaks, it's better than ULMB.
http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2467

axesmiley.png you just made the choice harder , although thanks for the valuable info + REP.

One more question is there an over simplified guide on how to achieve the best outcome on the BenQ? and do you think its worth it?
     
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Benq: don't touch color vibrance. Leave it at 10 only.
Only use Standard Mode.

Overdrive AMA: Enable blur reduction. Set AMA to high or reset the AMA and overwrite High, AFTER enabling blur reduction.

Any change to monitor brightness, any strobe setting changes in the Service Menu (Duty, Phase, Strobe) or the OSD (Intensity = Duty, Area=Phase) will revert the AMA. Any resolution or refresh rate changes will revert the AMA.
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Benq: don't touch color vibrance. Leave it at 10 only.
Only use Standard Mode.

Overdrive AMA: Enable blur reduction. Set AMA to high or reset the AMA and overwrite High, AFTER enabling blur reduction.

Any change to monitor brightness, any strobe setting changes in the Service Menu (Duty, Phase, Strobe) or the OSD (Intensity = Duty, Area=Phase) will revert the AMA. Any resolution or refresh rate changes will revert the AMA.

But i read that setting the AMA to High will result in some delay

And i wouldn't i need a little of changing on the strobe settings?
     
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Who told you that?

The benq monitors all default to AMA high anyway. They have ever since the Lightboost T/TE models.

Setting AMA to high after enabling blur reduction is an undocumented setting.
If AMA is set to high before enabling blur reduction, enabling blur reduction loads the default presets for AMA high that is created directly for blur reduction (called MBR/high).
Setting AMA to high after enabling blur reduction overwrites the default preset with an undocumented recalibration (which you can call MBR+AMA high). This actually lowers the AMA level by a noticeable amount, greatly improving the image quality with no drawbacks (inverse ghosting is considerably lessoned).

Strobe settings are for crosstalk and blur/brightness amount. There's no quick and easy way and no shortcut to learn these. You need to read my thread I linked and actually take time and experiment with my findings.
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Who told you that?

The benq monitors all default to AMA high anyway. They have ever since the Lightboost T/TE models.

Setting AMA to high after enabling blur reduction is an undocumented setting.
If AMA is set to high before enabling blur reduction, enabling blur reduction loads the default presets for AMA high that is created directly for blur reduction (called MBR/high).
Setting AMA to high after enabling blur reduction overwrites the default preset with an undocumented recalibration (which you can call MBR+AMA high). This actually lowers the AMA level by a noticeable amount, greatly improving the image quality with no drawbacks (inverse ghosting is considerably lessoned).

Strobe settings are for crosstalk and blur/brightness amount. There's no quick and easy way and no shortcut to learn these. You need to read my thread I linked and actually take time and experiment with my findings.


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Given the IMO quite significant image quality difference and thats is basically not possible to tweak the image in a satisfying way on the BenQ, Id recommend the LG over BenQ. Especially since the LG is actually cheaper. LG also has a lighter coating and less overdrive artifacts (pixel inversion etc.).

I had both here and still have one of them (the LG).

Only ppl Id recommend the BenQ over LG are some hardcore Quake Live, UT, Painkiller etc. players whod wanna use the blur reduction mode alot. But even then, the difference isnt that groundbreaking, plus having a slightly better color quality might benefit you more for spotting enemies quicker at the end of the day than a little less crosstalk.

Other than that- the abysmal image quality of the XL2430T is a PITA and is really annoying. It bothered me 24/7 no matter what I did and again the downside is that no matter how you tweak it, it just wont look halfways satisfying.

Now XL2420G is a different story and has a similar IQ as the LG plus it has Gsync. The coating on the XL2420G though is still quite aggressive compared to LG. But for the price that they ask for the XL2420G, Id recommend waiting for the new Dell 24" 1440p @ 144hz and getting that instead. It will have fantastic PPI ratio, really sharp image beacause of that and it will prolly also have a native 8-bit panel, unlike all the other monitors mentioned above.
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Stars, I remember your post about inversion artifacts and you talking about a "fog" test with DOTA2, and you asked me to do that test, and I found nothing abnormal.
However, as you know, literally every TN panel fails the "Lagom.nl" inversion artifact test. Like, green pixels and browser windows/OSD windows extending with a 'shadow' across the entire screen I found it bizarre that you were getting artifacts in the fog in DOTA2, however.

But I found out something on my XL2720Z.
If I reduce the sharpness value to 1, all inversion issues go away completely. Everything. No green pixels anywhere on the inversion tests. Blurbusters' inversion test has all rectangles showing the same color. But as you well know, it makes the image blurry.

Is it possible the XL2430T is using the wrong sharpness value, as the default is 5. (green inversion artifacts in lagom.nl, but none in games).
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