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why do you guys keep implying that cutting off or reducing the iGPU size doesn't make the die smaller and cheaper? headscratch.gif

the reason why enthusiast chip are bigger or more expensive is because its stuffed with more things than the mainstream chips.
e.g. more PCIe lanes, 4channel IMC, larger L3 cache, etc.
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why do you guys keep implying that cutting off or reducing the iGPU size doesn't make the die smaller and cheaper? headscratch.gif

the reason why enthusiast chip are bigger or more expensive is because its stuffed with more things than the mainstream chips.
e.g. more PCIe lanes, 4channel IMC, larger L3 cache, etc.
Because in order to make a die w/o the iGPU, intel needs to design the new die (some things would have to be shuffled around, not cheap), make a whole new set of masks (a couple hundred million to a billion by themselves, so not cheap at all) then set up another processing line to actually fab the things (which at minimum cuts processing capability from the other chip lines).

Combined, to make a quad core w/o the IGP we're looking at a couple billion dollars to be spent just for a small group of people while cutting into the more profitable chip designs. it's cheaper and easier to rebin chips that arent suitable for mobile applications for the desktop.
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you do realize that the desktop SKUs and laptop SKUs are two separate manufacturing lines right?

Only the 2+3e and 4+4e dies are mobile only.

The dies that go into any Skylake mobile i7 without Iris Pro, any desktop i5, and any desktop i7 are all the same, just different binning and packaging.
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why do you guys keep implying that cutting off or reducing the iGPU size doesn't make the die smaller and cheaper?

Who implied that?
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If removing the GPU would mean anything, X99 CPUs would be cheaper. It's all relative with Intel.
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Only the 2+3e and 4+4e dies are mobile only.
The dies that go into any Skylake mobile i7 without Iris Pro, any desktop i5, and any desktop i7 are all the same, just different binning and packaging.


Who implied that?
maybe, officially skylake has 4 SKUs on the mainstream platform, Y, U, H, S.
at least on skylake, they no longer use their S-GT2 SKUs for their mobile chips, they only use Y-GT2, U-GT3e, and H-GT4e SKUs.
otherwise, it'd be quite unusual for an i7 mobile chip with HD530 to be priced so close to an i7 mobile chip with Iris Pro.


the post above mine?

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If removing the GPU would mean anything, X99 CPUs would be cheaper. It's all relative with Intel.
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the reason why enthusiast chip are bigger or more expensive is because its stuffed with more things than the mainstream chips.
e.g. more PCIe lanes, 4channel IMC, larger L3 cache, etc.
why else would LGA2011 need friggin 2011 pins to function.
Edited by epic1337 - 8/30/16 at 5:28pm
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Higher clocks makes me think Intel is going the way of the bulldozer.
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Higher clocks makes me think Intel is going the way of the bulldozer.

might not be, although they could strive in making 5Ghz stock SKUs, they'd hit a wall sooner or later.
rather they're probably just aiming for making it more fine tuned in both power and performance, and increased clock speed is just a bonus.
IPC may not increase much but response time and fluidity should be better.

if we look into what intel had been doing for a while now, most of their changes are aimed at the front-end, cache, and IMC.
this indicates that they're smoothing out the workflow instead of increasing throughput, the small IPC increases we see are a probable indication of this.
Edited by epic1337 - 8/30/16 at 6:04pm
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X99 have IGP portion disabled on die?
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X99 have IGP portion disabled on die?

They do not have such thing.
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X99 have IGP portion disabled on die?
None of the X79/99 chips have an IGP in the first place.
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