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I don't think you understand the technology as well as you think you do.

Alright, let's do this: can you give me the rundown of the specific requirements of the HDR10 standard?
You don't need to follow the UHD Alliance standard to benefit from HDR,and neither you need their approval to call a TV/Monitor HDR capable.

I think honestly it's you the one who does not understand. You don't need dimming zones for HDR.

http://4k.com/news/a-clarification-on-sony-4k-tvs-the-ultra-hd-premium-standard-sony-4k-hdr-and-other-hdr-types-14436/

Display resolution: minimum of 3840 x 2160 pixels
Color bit depth: 10-bit signal
Color Palette: (Wide Color Gamut)
Signal Input: BT.2020 color representation
Display Reproduction: More than 93% of the DCI P3 color spectrum
High Dynamic Range
SMPTE ST2084 EOTF

Where's local dimming there? The Sony TV i linked you meets all of those standards minus the peak brightness value.
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You don't need dimming zones for HDR.

http://4k.com/news/a-clarification-on-sony-4k-tvs-the-ultra-hd-premium-standard-sony-4k-hdr-and-other-hdr-types-14436/

Display resolution: minimum of 3840 x 2160 pixels
Color bit depth: 10-bit signal
Color Palette: (Wide Color Gamut)
Signal Input: BT.2020 color representation
Display Reproduction: More than 93% of the DCI P3 color spectrum
High Dynamic Range
SMPTE ST2084 EOTF

Where's local dimming there? The Sony TV i linked you meets all of those standards minus the peak brightness value.
You forgot one: peak brightness of 1000 nits AND (very important conjunction) minimum brightness of 0.05 nits. That's a 20K contrast ratio, right there. No LCD has ever achieved that. Not even close. So, yes, LCD tech DOES need dimming zones for true HDR10 compliance.

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You don't need to follow the UHD Alliance standard to benefit from HDR,and neither you need their approval to call a TV/Monitor HDR capable.
True. HDR content will look good on a VA with your usual 5K contrast ratio and comprehensive color coverage. In fact, that's EXACTLY what i was looking for in the BDM4037UW (which, apparently, will take its sweet time to get here).

But, for all intents and purposes, it's not a TRUE HDR10 monitor. We will have to find the most achievable compromise in the meantime.
    
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You forgot one: peak brightness of 1000 nits AND (very important conjunction) minimum brightness of 0.05 nits. That's a 20K contrast ratio, right there. No LCD has ever achieved that. Not even close. So, yes, LCD tech DOES need dimming zones for true HDR10 compliance.
True. HDR content will look good on a VA with your usual 5K contrast ratio and comprehensive color coverage. In fact, that's EXACTLY what i was looking for in the BDM4037UW (which, apparently, will take its sweet time to get here).

But, for all intents and purposes, it's not a TRUE HDR10 monitor. We will have to find the most achievable compromise in the meantime.

How would that even work for VA panels?
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You forgot one: peak brightness of 1000 nits AND (very important conjunction) minimum brightness of 0.05 nits. That's a 20K contrast ratio, right there. No LCD has ever achieved that. Not even close. So, yes, LCD tech DOES need dimming zones for true HDR10 compliance.
True. HDR content will look good on a VA with your usual 5K contrast ratio and comprehensive color coverage. In fact, that's EXACTLY what i was looking for in the BDM4037UW (which, apparently, will take its sweet time to get here).

But, for all intents and purposes, it's not a TRUE HDR10 monitor. We will have to find the most achievable compromise in the meantime.
There's no true HDR compliance. The UHD Alliance is just,as the name says,an Alliance of various companies who tell you what they think it's the best way to see HDR. Sony does not abide by their standards yet they still can sell TV's as 4K HDR.

So not having a peak brightness of 1000 nits does not necessarily mean it's not a true HDR monitor/TV.

So indeed you can have a LCD monitor/tv without local dimming and HDR. It may not be optimal,but it does not mean it's not HDR and better than SDR.
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How would that even work for VA panels?

Dimming zones can have a zone contrast ratio of well over 20000:1. I'd really like to see how full array local dimming with 384 zones looks in games on a 32" screen. Probably not great overall still, which just highlights how flawed LCD is.
 
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You forgot one: peak brightness of 1000 nits AND (very important conjunction) minimum brightness of 0.05 nits. That's a 20K contrast ratio, right there. No LCD has ever achieved that. Not even close. So, yes, LCD tech DOES need dimming zones for true HDR10 compliance.
True. HDR content will look good on a VA with your usual 5K contrast ratio and comprehensive color coverage. In fact, that's EXACTLY what i was looking for in the BDM4037UW (which, apparently, will take its sweet time to get here).

But, for all intents and purposes, it's not a TRUE HDR10 monitor. We will have to find the most achievable compromise in the meantime.

How would that even work for VA panels?
It doesn't. And it doesn't work for the current batch of OLED displays, either. LCD still has dimming zones, which mitigates the limit in ability to be HDR10 compliant. Given enough dimming zones, the result is pretty satisfactory, albeit non-optimal for desktop use.

OLED tech, though, is different in the way it's limited. That's why they added a 2nd range, with which OLED displays have a better time complying.
    
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I sort of agree, CES will show off some high refresh 120hz or higher 4k screens and only those could really be considered future proof upgrades. People may say you need an insane amount of power to 4k 120fps and thats true if you want to max things out, but i'd be totally fine with playing games on my 970 @ low/med until i upgrade the gpu to get me up to high settings, as ultra just involves far too many diminishing returns with IQ/fps balance.

I used to use dual 980's with a 4k monitor, and I had to play on medium settings just to maintain 60fps in pretty much all new games frown.gif If all you play is 10+ year old stuff then a single 970 would probably be fine but I dont think any modern game will really cut it with that GPU.
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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_38uc99.htm

This is the other screen I was interested in ... but from the review looks like it would not suit my needs. I just hope this monitor will have a bit better colors then my 404k. Thats the one thing I really notice the lack of colors on a VA monitor. I wouldnt mind a bit better input lag rating also. Even if it was slightly better then Im pretty much sold.

You guys here are looking for oled colors and 120hz 40inch 4 k screens ... guess Id be happy with a slight improvement over the old smile.gif I told my wife I need a bigger desk so I can have 2 big monitors on it ... or even 1 big one and my little catleap (which can run fps games great).
    
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I already use LG OLED for media and 144hz 1440p for gaming... this is a monitor I need specifically for task work. I would be happy with it as long as the input lag isn't 33+ ms like every other 4k unit out there...mad.gif
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I already use LG OLED for media and 144hz 1440p
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