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If you want chroma 4:4:4 which you do, input lag is 37.3 ms, which is the sole reason why it isn't a good PC gaming monitor. This has nothing to do with the 8.9 ms response time mind you.

The thing about chroma 4:4:4 is that other than when dealing with rare situations with text in document use, there are no issues I have ever seen gaming with chroma @ 4:2:2. Just ask the countless people that use these displays for gaming, they don't report any issues. 4:2:2 is perfectly fine for gaming, although 4:4:4 should be the benchmark standard on all 4K TVs with low input latency.

Heck even I on my plasma if I turn pixel direct off(aka 4:4:4) text and webrowing looks fine. Unless I look at of those purposely made stress tests which illustrates the diffiecently of lacking 4:4:4 causes such as the pink and blue text issue:

4:4:4

4:2:2

if not gaming then turn 4:4:4 on and the input lag isn't really an issue.
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The thing about chroma 4:4:4 is that other than when dealing with rare situations with text in document use, there are no issues I have ever seen gaming with chroma @ 4:2:2. Just ask the countless people that use these displays for gaming, they don't report any issues. 4:2:2 is perfectly fine for gaming, although 4:4:4 should be the benchmark standard on all 4K TVs with low input latency.

Heck even I on my plasma if I turn pixel direct off(aka 4:4:4) text and webrowing looks fine. Unless I look at of those purposely made stress tests which illustrates the diffiecently of lacking 4:4:4 causes such as the pink and blue text issue:

4:4:4

4:2:2

if not gaming then turn 4:4:4 on and the input lag isn't really an issue.

Some people have different standards than others. In addtion to 4:2:2 those 4k TVs also use PWM yet you see zero complaints about it. Not everyone is willing to tolerate it though. I might be able to live with 60Hz and no gsync but not 4:2:2 chroma and PWM hence why I avoided those TVs.
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Some people have different standards than others. In addtion to 4:2:2 those 4k TVs also use PWM yet you see zero complaints about it. Not everyone is willing to tolerate it though. I might be able to live with 60Hz and no gsync but not 4:2:2 chroma and PWM hence why I avoided those TVs.
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Hmmm....hope it can come with black bezel version...

But for not fps-comptetive gaming- is there any disatvantage to gaming on such monitor? Single Player games do not require super input lag or response time.
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Hmmm....hope it can come with black bezel version...

But for not fps-comptetive gaming- is there any disatvantage to gaming on such monitor? Single Player games do not require super input lag or response time.

Yes. Its a problem for RTS and MOBA games. I play Dota 2 on a 27" 1440p window. Reason is because the screen is so big and you need to look at minimap and all around the screen making 40" a bit to big. Fps is not a problem for these monitors. BF1 is amazing. CS:GO in the other hand is made for special type of gamers. Games like RPG, Wow, Adventure are amazing at 4K.
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Some people have different standards than others. In addtion to 4:2:2 those 4k TVs also use PWM yet you see zero complaints about it. Not everyone is willing to tolerate it though. I might be able to live with 60Hz and no gsync but not 4:2:2 chroma and PWM hence why I avoided those TVs.

it's interesting you mention standards in conjunction with PC monitors in this day and age when the standard of manufacturing quality is junk as evidenced by all the plagued issues we see with these so called high end gaming monitors with low contrast. As for the PWM, not of a fan of it at all however I wasn't able to notice any flickering issues with it myself personally for the amount of time I was able to use my friends display. There was a whole debate back when this TV came out over at HardOCP about Samsung using PWM but it turned it most the owners had no issues with it. Now that is not to say the faults of PWM on motion clarity aren't present, or certain individuals sensitive to eye strain, I just didn't see or notice it from actual personal experience is this is coming from a guy that is a strong opponent of any manufacturer cheapening out with PWM.

I just don't get it, it appears that people act like they have high standards but then end up with cheaply made, below average picture quality PC monitors. Essentially this is more to do with preference more so than High standards let's not confuse the two.
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40" is about ideal size for a 4k display, in my opinion, and it's also just about the point where curvature becomes more useful than annoying. Depending on how this display actually performs and it's cost, I'm thinking it could be my next primary display. I'm most worried about uniformity and input latency.

I like VA panels, all-in-all. My current BL3200PT has been a great display, even for gaming, despite the 60Hz refresh rate, relatively high response time, and one frame (~17ms, not including pixel response) of input lag.
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it's interesting you mention standards in conjunction with PC monitors in this day and age when the standard of manufacturing quality is junk as evidenced by all the plagued issues we see with these so called high end gaming monitors with low contrast. As for the PWM, not of a fan of it at all however I wasn't able to notice any flickering issues with it myself personally for the amount of time I was able to use my friends display. There was a whole debate back when this TV came out over at HardOCP about Samsung using PWM but it turned it most the owners had no issues with it. Now that is not to say the faults of PWM on motion clarity aren't present, or certain individuals sensitive to eye strain, I just didn't see or notice it from actual personal experience is this is coming from a guy that is a strong opponent of any manufacturer cheapening out with PWM.

I just don't get it, it appears that people act like they have high standards but then end up with cheaply made, below average picture quality PC monitors. Essentially this is more to do with preference more so than High standards let's not confuse the two.

I guess "preferences" is the better term to be used. What I find contradictory though is that most people buying those high end TVs are seeking max eye candy from their display, yet wouldn't dropping down the chroma to 4:2:2 do the opposite and take away from the image quality?
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40" is about ideal size for a 4k display, in my opinion, and it's also just about the point where curvature becomes more useful than annoying. Depending on how this display actually performs and it's cost, I'm thinking it could be my next primary display. I'm most worried about uniformity and input latency.

I like VA panels, all-in-all. My current BL3200PT has been a great display, even for gaming, despite the 60Hz refresh rate, relatively high response time, and one frame (~17ms, not including pixel response) of input lag.

I used to think IPS where fine for contrast ration until I tried VA. So much better.
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Has anyone seen a 4K TV tested at actual 60 Hz 4:4:4 below ~30's ms input lag? Rtings is the only place I've seen that does actual true 4K 4:4:4 testing via a Leobodnar+dual HDFury real 4K signal testing. Every other input lag test is worthless as it's not sending a true 4K 4:4:4 signal .
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Samsung 960 Pro - 1TB Windows 10 Pro Acer XR382CQK 38" - 3840x1600 - 76 Hz Wooting One 
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Corsair AX1500i 1500W Titanium Logitech G403 Denon AVR-X7200WA Elac BS 312 Speakers 
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MrSpeakers ÆON Headphones Velodyne MiniVee Subwoofer Buttkicker LFE Razer Orbweaver Stealth Chroma 
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