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Philips sold its monitor and TV business to TPV years ago so all they do is license their brand name. TPV fully owns and makes these monitors under a company called MMD, and they own the AOC brand too.
Philips and AOC share the same manufacturer? Wow, here and I thought Philips monitors were much higher quality...
They are.

BenQ and Acer share the same manufacturer. Actually, even Dell has used panels from AUO. Yet, all 3 brands have very distinct QC.

Apple and korean "knock-off" brands also share the manufacturer at times.
    
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Has anyone seen a 4K TV tested at actual 60 Hz 4:4:4 below ~30's ms input lag? Rtings is the only place I've seen that does actual true 4K 4:4:4 testing via a Leobodnar+dual HDFury real 4K signal testing. Every other input lag test is worthless as it's not sending a true 4K 4:4:4 signal .
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They are.

BenQ and Acer share the same manufacturer. Actually, even Dell has used panels from AUO. Yet, all 3 brands have very distinct QC.

Apple and korean "knock-off" brands also share the manufacturer at times.

Yeah I remember when SONY and many others has there own manufacturing plants for panels or even joint ventures(SONY/Samsung)

I think now we only have 3 major players, producing the panels that being LG(Strictly IPS). Samsung(VA, I think they source there IPS now but I could be wrong I know they use to make there variant of IPS( PLS) and AOU, If there is a forth please correct me.

As for QC on IPS panels we know that how they are placed in the enclose has huge effect on the black light bleeding issues. Also what happened to Panasonic's IPS tech that was said to have native 2000:1 contrast?
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Yeah I remember when SONY and many others has there own manufacturing plants for panels or even joint ventures(SONY/Samsung)

I think now we only have 3 major players, producing the panels that being LG(Strictly IPS). Samsung(VA, I think they source there IPS now but I could be wrong I know they use to make there variant of IPS( PLS) and AOU, If there is a forth please correct me.

As for QC on IPS panels we know that how they are placed in the enclose has huge effect on the black light bleeding issues. Also what happened to Panasonic's IPS tech that was said to have native 2000:1 contrast?

Sharp is another OEM. Can't think of any others at the moment. Samsung PLS is still around, which is IPS like you say.
 
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I think now we only have 3 major players, producing the panels that being LG(Strictly IPS). Samsung(VA, I think they source there IPS now but I could be wrong I know they use to make there variant of IPS( PLS) and AOU, If there is a forth please correct me.
LG, Samsung, AUO, TPV, Sharp, and Chi Mei-Innolux are the ones i know. A lot of the cheapest TV's are made with panels from the last one.

When you're competing with very big names, it ends up being cheaper to source from someone else than to research and manufacture on your own. This happens with almost all sectors of technology. The auto industry is a prime example of this.
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LG, Samsung, AUO, TPV, Sharp, and Chi Mei-Innolux are the ones i know. A lot of the cheapest TV's are made with panels from the last one.

When you're competing with very big names, it ends up being cheaper to source from someone else than to research and manufacture on your own. This happens with almost all sectors of technology. The auto industry is a prime example of this.

Yes I understand this is how the display tech works and has been this way for a very long time. That is why when LCD began to start replacing CRT's, SONY while they were in a good and strong financial state originally partnered with Samsung to build a FAB.

What is rather disappointing to me is that the Japanese are amazing at what they can do with displays in all aspects being, DPS, build quality, innovations, proprietary technologies etc... They take picture quality dead serious. Just look at SONY with Trinitron, Pioneer with Plasma, or Panasonic with OLED(using LG's panels and producing a superior display) When we saw progression and further innovation in VA tech for the PC, again it came from a Japanese company EZIO. These companies sadly don't produce the panels anymore for any of the display techs, rather they have to rely on what the Koreans are capable of giving them. SHARP is the only Japanese Company left still producing there own panels but there presence is not strong brand name wise. A huge reason the 4K Vizio M series 60' and above are great looking native 120Hz displays is that they use Sharps best panels.

I hate Korean display companies, they lack any true authentic passion for there products. What Korean companies do exceptionally well is put themselves in the position of being one of the largest sole companies manufacturing the tech and selling it off to all the other display manufactures while also making and establishing a strong presence for there own brand, but lack the mindset of the Japanese companies.
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Hows the AG coating on the BL3200pt? thought that one had a bit? ... I prefer glossy as possible.

It's not glossy, but it's a very fine coating and doesn't interfere with the image much at all.

Biggest problem with the B3200PT, other than the mediocre pixel response inherent to VA of it's era, is backlight uniformity in some samples and that it needs a bit of tuning to get rid of black crush.
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It's not glossy, but it's a very fine coating and doesn't interfere with the image much at all.

Biggest problem with the B3200PT, other than the mediocre pixel response inherent to VA of it's era, is backlight uniformity in some samples and that it needs a bit of tuning to get rid of black crush.

Isnt the black crush a problem with OLED too? I remember so dark movies would have problems with certain brightness level with my Galaxy S6.
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Isnt the black crush a problem with OLED too? I remember so dark movies would have problems with certain brightness level with my Galaxy S6.

There is no black crush on OLED.
 
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Once things are calibrated half-way well, there shouldn't be black crush on any of them, not from the display itself, anyway.

Bad stock gamma curves did seem to be pretty common on VA panels.
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What is rather disappointing to me is that the Japanese are amazing at what they can do with displays in all aspects being, DPS, build quality, innovations, proprietary technologies etc... They take picture quality dead serious. Just look at SONY with Trinitron, Pioneer with Plasma, or Panasonic with OLED(using LG's panels and producing a superior display) When we saw progression and further innovation in VA tech for the PC, again it came from a Japanese company EZIO. These companies sadly don't produce the panels anymore for any of the display techs, rather they have to rely on what the Koreans are capable of giving them. SHARP is the only Japanese Company left still producing there own panels but there presence is not strong brand name wise. A huge reason the 4K Vizio M series 60' and above are great looking native 120Hz displays is that they use Sharps best panels.
IGZO was also pioneered by Sharp. smile.gif
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