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I'm seeing way too many people using some kind of a driver cleaner like DDU, Driver Sweeper or Driver Fusion when all they're doing is a simple driver upgrade, and quite frankly I'm tired of it. These people aren't trying to fix any problems, they just want the latest version - yet they still use some kind of a driver cleaner as though that's the only way to do it, or as though it's the BEST way to do it. Then sometimes these people end up with problems afterward and they wonder why. Well, duh. If it's not broken, then don't fix it.

 

Look, if all you're doing is a simple driver upgrade (that is, if you're not trying to fix a problem), then there's absolutely no good reason to use a driver cleaner (like DDU). All you have to do is run the installer to upgrade the driver. Period. Everything will be fine if you do that. That's all you have to do. You don't need to do any special sort of "Clean Install" or anything. You just run the installer, wait for the upgrade which takes like 20 seconds, and then you're back to what you were doing. No reboot, no reconfiguring settings, no reinstalling your color profile (if you have one) and no reinstalling your monitor driver (if you had one). You're just back to what you were doing without any interruption whatsoever.

 

So yeah, the only time you need to use something like DDU is when you're trying to fix a problem. Driver cleaners weren't made for simple driver upgrades, they were made for helping you fix driver-related problems by getting rid of EVERY LAST TRACE of the problematic driver. That's why these driver cleaners exist. They were created to help you fix problems. That's all they're for. They weren't created as a "better" way to perform a simple driver upgrade. There's already a "better" way, and that way is simply running the installer for the driver, waiting for the upgrade, and boom you're done and back your life or your game or whatever it was you were doing. If you end up with problems after installing the new driver, then THAT'S when you use a driver cleaner so that you can go back to the previous driver while GETTING RID OF THE PROBLEMATIC ONE.

 

This goes for any kind of driver, really.

 

By the way, don't use the "Clean Install" option in the NVIDIA installer because all that does is it resets all of your settings and it deletes all profiles you may have created. It doesn't do anything else at all!

 

 

Edit: Do you want proof? I've been doing this for a very long time but I just haven't said anything because I wanted to be sure about it first. Like just now, I upgraded from 372.54 to 372.70 and the entire process from the start of the download to the end of the installation took about a minute and 30 seconds. It would've been faster but the download speed was a little slower than normal. The actual upgrade itself took about 20 seconds and then I was done. I didn't have to restart my computer, go and reconfigure all of my settings in the NVIDIA Control Panel, reapply my color profile and reinstall my monitor driver (when I have a monitor that needs one). No. I just upgraded and boom, I was done and back to what I was doing without any interruption whatsoever.


Edited by TwoCables - 8/30/16 at 11:16pm
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I'm seeing way too many people using DDU, Driver Sweeper or Driver Fusion when all they're doing is a simple driver upgrade, and quite frankly I'm tired of it. These people aren't trying to fix any problems, they just want the latest version - yet they still use DDU or Driver Sweeper or Driver Fusion as though that's the only way to do it. No, it's not. Then sometimes these people end up with problems afterward and then wonder why. Well, duh.

Look, if all you're doing is a simple driver upgrade so that you can have the latest version - that is, if you're not trying to fix a problem, then there's absolutely no good reason to use something like DDU. All you have to do is install the driver and let the installer replace the old one. Everything will be fine if you do that. That's all you have to do. You don't need to do any special sort of "Clean Install" or anything. These installers and drivers are designed to install and be replaced by the installer.

So yeah, the only time you need to use something like DDU is when you're trying to fix a problem. It's not for simple driver upgrades, it's for helping you fix driver-related problems by getting rid of EVERY LAST TRACE of the problematic driver.

This goes for any driver, really. You don't have to get rid of every last trace of the driver you're replacing unless there's a problem with it.

With Geforce you get the option to do a clean install of drivers but with AMD you have to remove them yourself. I always had problems with DDU in Windows 7 and used AMDs own utility to remove drivers and always worked. I moved to Windows 10 and AMD tools do not work anymore. Been using DDU when I change drives, BIOS, have problems and it has worked 100% under Windows 10.
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With Geforce you get the option to do a clean install of drivers but with AMD you have to remove them yourself. I always had problems with DDU in Windows 7 and used AMDs own utility to remove drivers and always worked. I moved to Windows 10 and AMD tools do not work anymore. Been using DDU when I change drives, BIOS, have problems and it has worked 100% under Windows 10.

 

No, what most people don't know is, NVIDIA's "Clean Install" just means you're resetting all of your settings back to default. It doesn't do anything else.

 

You don't need to use DDU or anything like it unless you are trying to fix a problem. Period. Seriously, it's a waste of time. Just install the new driver and let the installer replace the old one. You'll save a lot of time in the long-run that way.

 

Are you guys worried that you'll encounter problems due to doing it this way? It's highly unlikely because the installer is designed to work this way. Realize that this is the way the vast majority of the world does it. You know, like, people who are more computer-illiterate. Yet, they're not having any problems. Think about it.

 

If using DDU and whatnot really were the best way to upgrade to a newer driver even though you're not having any problems with your current one, then don't you think that NVIDIA and AMD would've made sure to tell us by now?


Edited by TwoCables - 8/30/16 at 9:38pm
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I been saying this for years, those programs are not needed.
I never use any of those programs.
I just download the new driver to my desktop then run the installer and only choose the driver and physx, nothing else.
I don't even choose clesn install as I like to save my game profile settings in nvidia control, it just sucks having to reset all my games.
Then after a reboot I delete the temp nvidia driver folder under my C: drive and the temp junk it leaves in the temp folder under user, appdata, local, .
I never have gpu issue unless I created them myself with a bad over clock. biggrin.gif
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I been saying this for years, those programs are not needed.
I never use any of those programs.
I just download the new driver to my desktop then run the installer and only choose the driver and physx, nothing else.
I don't even choose clesn install as I like to save my game profile settings in nvidia control, it just sucks having to reset all my games.
Then after a reboot I delete the temp nvidia driver folder under my C: drive and the temp junk it leaves in the temp folder under user, appdata, local, .
I never have gpu issue unless I created them myself with a bad over clock. biggrin.gif

 

Exactly.

 

And you know, you don't even have to delete that stuff unless of course you're running low on space.

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My PC blue screens when removing or upgrading drivers unless I use DDU.

The other issue is regular uninstall leaves the VSR profile in place and starts my monitor out of range, which means that I would have to change the connections and/or unplug all other monitors so I can have my primary monitor so that I may use Custom Resolution Utility to delete the profile and start fresh.

Or I could just use DDU.

Also there are issues with Hawaii and black screens, one solution is to completely remove drivers via w/e method and have Windows reinstall them via WU as otherwise (upgrade) would result in black screens.
    
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My PC blue screens when removing or upgrading drivers unless I use DDU.

The other issue is regular uninstall leaves the VSR profile in place and starts my monitor out of range, which means that I would have to change the connections and/or unplug all other monitors so I can have my primary monitor so that I may use Custom Resolution Utility to delete the profile and start fresh.

Or I could just use DDU.

Also there are issues with Hawaii and black screens, one solution is to completely remove drivers via w/e method and have Windows reinstall them via WU as otherwise (upgrade) would result in black screens.

 

You don't have to uninstall first, you just install and let the installer replace it. You let the installer do all the work.

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You don't uninstall first, you just install and let the installer replace it.

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Exactly.

And you know, you don't even have to delete that stuff unless of course you're running low on space.

Yep, I only delete them cause I'm a freak when it comes to how many gigs are left on my ssd's smile.gif
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Well, I would say that there's some other problem at play if you can't replace the driver the way AMD or NVIDIA have designed it to be done.

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