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I'd normally agree, people shouldn't touch driver sweepers with a 10 foot pole.. but DDU is a rare exception.


I've repeatedly had problems upgrading AMD graphics drivers in place. It doesn't happen every time, but things just get borked every once in awhile.


The first time an uninstall failed, DDU worked like a charm. After the 2nd time, I just made uninstall --> DDU clean --> install new drivers my routine, and haven't run into a single hiccup.
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Aye, and tried a couple of additional troubleshooting steps as well (double-checking all settings, reconnecting HDMI cable, trying new HDMI cable, etc.). When I upgrade to the 372.70 driver today I'll do it without DDU. I'm not anticipating any issues but my issues with the Witcher 3 on my previous driver, and a couple of issues with Fiji cards earlier this year really had me vexed.

 

Yeah, that'd have me on edge too.

 

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I'd normally agree, people shouldn't touch driver sweepers with a 10 foot pole.. but DDU is a rare exception.


I've repeatedly had problems upgrading AMD graphics drivers in place. It doesn't happen every time, but things just get borked every once in awhile.


The first time an uninstall failed, DDU worked like a charm. After the 2nd time, I just made uninstall --> DDU clean --> install new drivers my routine, and haven't run into a single hiccup.

 

Damn. Maybe this thread can only apply to NVIDIA drivers?

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And how much time does that consume? It consumes more time, you're required to reboot, you have to reconfigure your control panel settings for the driver, and it's just more work. With the way it's meant to be done, all you have to do is perform the upgrade and go back to whatever you were doing, It takes like 20 seconds to do the entire upgrade and you don't get interrupted at all.

It adds like 2 mins extra. The app reboots to safe mode, cleans the left over files and boots back to Windows.

I guess, in total it adds an extra 5 minutes, but that's not really a problem for me. I spend more time staring at the fridge trying to decide what to make for lunch.

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What would happen if you were to perform your next upgrade by doing it the way it's designed to be done? That is, download the installer, run it, and then go back to what you were doing? What would happen if that simply upgraded your driver without any problems? I think you'd find just as I did that you'll no longer see a point in wasting your time using a driver cleaner when there's really no good reason to do it in the first place.

Yeah, it would probably work and save like 5 mins. But, I upgrade my drivers like once every 3 months, if that.

I don't really use my PC for anything other than gaming, so i'm never really in the situation where that time is detracting from other tasks. I would be more frustrated if I did a normal upgrade and found there was some kind of conflicting issue.
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The only time you need to use a driver cleaner is when you need to get rid of a problematic driver. So think about it: if you upgrade to a driver that gives you problems, then that's when you use a driver cleaner. Using a driver cleaner does not prevent you from having problems with a new driver. You get problems with a new driver when that new driver is a problem for your system. That's when you use a driver cleaner so that you can go back to a driver that you know is good and then stay there until a newer driver is released. Then when one is released, you upgrade again to see if it's fine. Usually, the next driver released is fine. Why go through the whole process of using a driver cleaner when the simple upgrade is much easier? Again, if you get a bad driver, then use a driver cleaner to get rid of it.

Because... it's not really a long nor labour heavy task. It's pretty easy, it just includes one extra reboot.

Trust me, I hate extra annoyance and faff. I don't overclock because I can't be arsed. I hate opening up my PC. I really don't do anything taxing with my PC if it takes extra effort.

The fact that even I use DDU is testament to it's ease and function. Like I said, i've had issues in the past from doing a standard upgrade that meant when I wanted to play a game, I was forced to diagnose driver issues. It's simpler just to use DDU each time and avoid that.
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The way it is goes... You install a new driver. Old driver gets marked as inactive, new driver gets marked as active. Windows removes old driver.

 

You uninstall instead? Windows removes old driver, reverts to generic driver, you install new driver.

 

Not a big deal either way. Both work.

 

We're making a huge deal about this again because?

   
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If this can only apply to NVIDIA drivers, then I will update it and have this thread moved to one of the appropriate NVIDIA forums. So far, it seems the only people who have had the same problem-free experience I've had are people who have an NVIDIA card.

 

Should I have this thread moved?
 

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All too many people these days just do stuff because they read somewhere on forum that it's good, with total disregard for context, conditions, intended uses, etc.

Too many people are ill informed and pass on ill informed advices.

Like that one guy that told me, if I have low FPS due to CPU bottleneck, I should raise the resolution, the bottleneck would resolve, and I would get high FPS. Just because he read somewhere that raising res relieves CPU bottlenecks. Ehhh...
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All too many people these days just do stuff because they read somewhere on forum that it's good, with total disregard for context, conditions, intended uses, etc.

Too many people are ill informed and pass on ill informed advices.

Like that one guy that told me, if I have low FPS due to CPU bottleneck, I should raise the resolution, the bottleneck would resolve, and I would get high FPS. Just because he read somewhere that raising res relieves CPU bottlenecks. Ehhh...

 

Yep, and that's part of the problem I have with this. There are even people who are using driver cleaners for every simple driver upgrade simply because they were told to or because they're seeing how "everyone" is doing it. Just because the majority of people are doing something in a certain way, it doesn't automatically mean it's the best way.

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Yep, and that's part of the problem I have with this. There are even people who are using driver cleaners for every simple driver upgrade simply because they were told to or because they're seeing how "everyone" is doing it. Just because the majority of people are doing something in a certain way, it doesn't automatically mean it's the best way.

But then, why should anyone listen to you? Why should it be assumed that your way is the best way? You can't just try to out shout other people.

Would it not just be better to let people do things their own way, so long as they work? Cool, give people the hint that there is another way... but you don't need to go into internet melt down about drivers man.

There are far more important things in the world to be worried about.
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But then, why should anyone listen to you? Why should it be assumed that your way is the best way? You can't just try to out shout other people.

Would it not just be better to let people do things their own way, so long as they work? Cool, give people the hint that there is another way... but you don't need to go into internet melt down about drivers man.

There are far more important things in the world to be worried about.

Um, no? On this forum, correct driver installation is among the most important things to be worried about. If you have more important things to worry about, to go worldhunger.net , worldwars.net , freedomofspeech.net or any other "important stuff" forum and don't waste your time here, telling people that the way they install their drivers is not important.

edit: ^ those are made-up forums btw, don't actually try to go there
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Wow this thread exploded lol.

As far as DDU goes, ive always had problems using it so i don't use it. A clean install is better then one that overwrites PERIOD. Thats like saying its ok to download windows 10 over windows 8.1 and leave it alone its fine. No not really, i did and didn't have any problems. However after doing a clean install everything ran much smoother.

AMD pretty much TELLS YOU to remove the previous driver before installing the new one. Thats easily done with their uninstall utility (which itself sometimes has issues as well and has to be run twice, especially if windows turned back driver updates on by itself).

I don't know about Nvidia but again a clean install is better then one that overwrites.

Is it true that you shouldn't use DDU with every install? Probably but honestly its not going to do any harm unless you're doing it wrong, and its true its more a diagnostic tool then anything.

But its a matter of opinion, this thread is like the Mayhems rep on here telling people not to use ethylene glycol based coolants as it will do harm yea big LOL on that one.

To keep it short. If you have driver issues use DDU. If you want a clean install, just remove the old driver, use CCleaner to clean up the registry then install new driver. This is the way ive done it for YEARS and i have never ever had an issue. Only issue ive had was when i installed the new W10 update, it reset my drive update preferences and Microsoft overrode my AMD install and i had a ridiculous time deleting it fully. Again i didn't even use DDU and had no issues.
    
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