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Um, no? On this forum, correct driver installation is among the most important things to be worried about. If you have more important things to worry about, to go worldhunger.net , worldwars.net , freedomofspeech.net or any other "important stuff" forum and don't waste your time here, telling people that the way they install their drivers is not important.

edit: ^ those are made-up forums btw, don't actually try to go there

True, that's a fair point. Forgot what sub i'm in.
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Wow this thread exploded lol.

As far as DDU goes, ive always had problems using it so i don't use it. A clean install is better then one that overwrites PERIOD. Thats like saying its ok to download windows 10 over windows 8.1 and leave it alone its fine. No not really, i did and didn't have any problems. However after doing a clean install everything ran much smoother.

 

No it's not the same thing. It's just a driver. You're comparing a Windows upgrade to a simple driver upgrade! These are two extremely different things.

 

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AMD pretty much TELLS YOU to remove the previous driver before installing the new one. Thats easily done with their uninstall utility (which itself sometimes has issues as well and has to be run twice, especially if windows turned back driver updates on by itself).

 

Ok, that's fair, I will consider updating this thread to reflect that because so far, I've had absolutely no problems doing a simple upgrade. No performance issues, no stability issues, nothing. Maybe I would with AMD's drivers?

 

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Is it true that you shouldn't use DDU with every install? Probably but honestly its not going to do any harm unless you're doing it wrong, and its true its more a diagnostic tool then anything.

 

I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T. I never did. I'm saying that you don't have to. I'm saying that if you think you do, then think again. Try the simple upgrade and see what happens. I think you'll be surprised. Apparently though, AMD's drivers don't like it, so maybe I should just say "This only applies to NVIDIA's drivers".

 

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But its a matter of opinion, this thread is like the Mayhems rep on here telling people not to use ethylene glycol based coolants as it will do harm yea big LOL on that one.

 

How is this the same as that? I don't see the connection.

 

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To keep it short. If you have driver issues use DDU. If you want a clean install, just remove the old driver, use CCleaner to clean up the registry then install new driver. This is the way ive done it for YEARS and i have never ever had an issue. Only issue ive had was when i installed the new W10 update, it reset my drive update preferences and Microsoft overrode my AMD install and i had a ridiculous time deleting it fully. Again i didn't even use DDU and had no issues.

 

I'm not saying you'll have problems if you use a driver cleaning method of some kind. I'm saying it's a waste of time!

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No it's not the same thing. It's just a driver. You're comparing a Windows upgrade to a simple driver upgrade! These are two extremely different things.


Ok, that's fair, I will consider updating this thread to reflect that because so far, I've had absolutely no problems doing a simple upgrade. No performance issues, no stability issues, nothing. Maybe I would with AMD's drivers?


I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T. I never did. I'm saying that you don't have to. I'm saying that if you think you do, then think again. Try the simple upgrade and see what happens. I think you'll be surprised. Apparently though, AMD's drivers don't like it, so maybe I should just say "This only applies to NVIDIA's drivers".


How is this the same as that? I don't see the connection.


I'm not saying you'll have problems if you use a driver cleaning method of some kind. I'm saying it's a waste of time!

Ok ill dissect this as nicely as i can lol.

1. It is the EXACT same thing. Both Windows and AMD are SOFTWARE, doesnt matter if its as big as Windows or as small as say an MSI Afterburner install, its still SOFTWARE they should all be clean installed for the least headache free running OS.

2. Ill give you a thumbs up there haha thumb.gif

3. Nothing that makes life easier is a waste of time, though i do agree that doing it with every single gpu driver update (which with nvidia and amd lately seems to be 2x a month) is a waste if you have no issues uninstalling and installing it correctly.

At the end of the day someones PC is just that, SOMEONES PC. Not your place to tell them this should be used or shouldn't be used based on your personal OPINION. DDU has solved lots of issues with people having issues, so i wouldnt call it a waste of time. Me personally im fine using what AMD provides and it well, does the exact same thing DDU does.
    
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I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T. I never did. I'm saying that you don't have to.

I'm saying you shouldn't.

It's like "I'd like to paint my walls green. Better bring down the house and built it all back up again, but this time with green walls".

No, you just paint them, and if during or after the paining you notice there is something terribly wrong with the wall, then you rebuild.

Metaphors aside, there is no knowing what horrors you may unleash using DDU on a working system. Registries have always been Windows'es soft spot and it is not unheard of DDU crippling systems to the point of reinstall.
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Ok ill dissect this as nicely as i can lol.

1. It is the EXACT same thing. Both Windows and AMD are SOFTWARE, doesnt matter if its as big as Windows or as small as say an MSI Afterburner install, its still SOFTWARE they should all be clean installed for the least headache free running OS.

 

An OS is far more complex. Far more can go wrong. We're talking about a simple little driver upgrade here.

 

It's not the exact same thing. It's not even close. A majorly complex multi-faceted OS upgrade vs. a simple little driver upgrade.

 

I have been performing the simple driver upgrade for a very long time no with ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS. Would I do the same with Windows? Hell no.

 

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3. Nothing that makes life easier is a waste of time, though i do agree that doing it with every single gpu driver update (which with nvidia and amd lately seems to be 2x a month) is a waste if you have no issues uninstalling and installing it correctly.

 

Dude, um, using a driver cleaner doesn't make the upgrade process easier. It adds steps to it. By the very definition of the word, it makes it more complicated. That doesn't mean it makes it more difficult. There are just more steps, thus meaning it's more complex. However, by the very definition, that does also increase the difficulty to a degree. Maybe not for us, but what about for those people who are doing it but they hate doing it? I guess I'm the only one who's thought about that.

 

Like I said, I've been doing the whole simple "download and install and be done" thing for a long time now and I haven't had any problems. It has made the whole "upgrade my driver" routine FAR easier and FAR more unpleasant. There is no need to uninstall first. Maybe there is with AMD apparently, but definitely not with NVIDIA. They have it nailed down where you can either use GFE (I don't), or you can just download the driver from their site and then click "Install" and you'll be done in a matter of seconds. You won't need to reboot, you won't need to reconfigure any of your NVIDIA Control Panel settings, and you won't need to re-do anything else. You'll be able to get right back to whatever it was you were doing, with the only difference being that now you have the latest driver and you barely had to do anything at all.

 

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At the end of the day someones PC is just that, SOMEONES PC. Not your place to tell them this should be used or shouldn't be used based on your personal OPINION. DDU has solved lots of issues with people having issues, so i wouldnt call it a waste of time. Me personally im fine using what AMD provides and it well, does the exact same thing DDU does.

 

I'm not telling anyone what to do. I never did. I'm just saying that YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE A DRIVER CLEANER. That is not what I call "telling someone what to do" (or what they should or shouldn't do). It's just me saying, "you don't have to do that you know".

 

I'm getting sick and tired of being accused of telling people that they CAN'T or SHOULDN'T use a driver cleaner. I never once did that. Go back through this thread and show me where I did it. All I've ever done so far is I've said that you don't have to and that you should give the simpler way a shot just to see what you think. That's all I've ever said. So, take back that accusation that I've been trying to tell people what to do.

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I used DDU occasionally, and one time it broke Windows and the NVIDIA drivers for me. I could not install NVIDIA drivers anymore when normally booted into Windows. It only worked in Windows' Safe Mode. I could not find out how to fix that problem. I tried to hunt down all files of the driver and entries in the Registry, but only reinstalling Windows "fixed" the problem.

A problem like that never happened in all the years where I didn't touch DDU or similar tools and just simply upgraded drivers. Just the driver's installation program by itself always worked fine. At least with NVIDIA drivers, I can't see why you'd ever need DDU.
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I'm saying you shouldn't.

It's like "I'd like to paint my walls green. Better bring down the house and built it all back up again, but this time with green walls".

No, you just paint them, and if during or after the paining you notice there is something terribly wrong with the wall, then you rebuild.

Metaphors aside, there is no knowing what horrors you may unleash using DDU on a working system. Registries have always been Windows'es soft spot and it is not unheard of DDU crippling systems to the point of reinstall.

 

Yeah, I guess. I just noticed this thread below:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1610212/sleep-option-missing-after-updating-to-372-70

 

So maybe I should change my tune to "Never take the chance. Don't use a driver cleaner unless it's absolutely necessary or else you could break things beyond repair".

 

However, I'd need to ask him what else he has done. I wonder if he "cleaned" his Registry too. heh

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At the end of the day someones PC is just that, SOMEONES PC. Not your place to tell them this should be used or shouldn't be used based on your personal OPINION.

Someone's car is someone's car. It is not your place to tell them they should have working brakes.
Someone's body is someone's body. It is not your place to tell them they should not do drugs.
Someone's relationship is someone's relationship. It is not your place to tell them they should not physically abuse their partner.
Someone's criminal record is someone's criminal record. it is not your place to tell them they should not steal, rape and murder.

A bit exaggerated, but I believe the problem I have with your statement becomes apparent.
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I used DDU occasionally, and one time it broke Windows and the NVIDIA drivers for me. I could not install NVIDIA drivers anymore when normally booted into Windows. It only worked in Windows' Safe Mode. I could not find out how to fix that problem. I tried to hunt down all files of the driver and entries in the Registry, but only reinstalling Windows "fixed" the problem.

A problem like that never happened in all the years where I didn't touch DDU or similar tools and just simply upgraded drivers. Just the driver's installation program by itself always worked fine. At least with NVIDIA drivers, I can't see why you'd ever need DDU.

 

It's for helping the user to replace a problematic driver.

 

Personally, every single time I ever used DDU, I did it in a way that I felt was ultra-safe: I started by uninstalling the driver in the Programs and Features control panel. Then, I rebooted into Safe Mode and used DDU. I always followed that by Driver Sweeper because Driver Sweeper still found things that DDU did not get rid of. Now of course, I don't know if Driver Sweeper is 100% either, but it's more thorough than DDU.

 

I did it this way due to the "rules" of using Driver Sweeper: never use Driver Sweeper without first uninstalling the driver in the Programs and Features control panel or else you could end up with serious problems that go deep into Windows. So when DDU came out, the first time I used it I made sure to uninstall normally FIRST and then I'd use DDU. I treated it like it was Driver Sweeper, but I still used Driver Sweeper after because of its superior thoroughness.

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All in all it is not needed to use. BUT if a user wanna use DDU,......let him do it...
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