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I originally thought so, but someone on reddit corrected me. The PG248Q uses a completely different panel than the old M240HW01 V8 that has been out for years. I checked on panelook and it's NOT a frc panel. Its 8 bit.
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post #12 of 39
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I originally thought so, but someone on reddit corrected me. The PG248Q uses a completely different panel than the old M240HW01 V8 that has been out for years. I checked on panelook and it's NOT a frc panel. Its 8 bit.

 

Then we should tell pcmonitors.info:

 

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/asus-pg248q/

 

This represents what I'm seeing fairly well:

 

PG248Q-luminance-uniformity-map.png 

 

On a dark scene, this is super annoying. This is almost perfectly identical to what my XB241H is like.


Edited by TwoCables - 8/31/16 at 11:14am
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post #13 of 39
They just said it's a M240 variant and assumed its the long existing one.

See this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/4qm0jb/new_asus_mg248q_1080p_144hz_has_a_new_auo_panel/?

It's even on tftcentral, but only the mg248q's full panel name is shown. But it's safe to assume the MG and PG are the exact same.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/4tavjg/first_true_8bit_1080p_gaming_monitor/?

Panelook does NOT have the M240Q007 V0 in their database, However they have the Q004 version, which shows up as true 8 bit. So it's safe to assume that this is also true 8 bit.
http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/fe542b5a

I was having a bit of debate on reddit about these panels.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/4z7qld/why_arent_there_any_1080p_144hz_ips_gsync_monitors/

Anyway it would be completely absurd for Asus to use the M240HW01 in the PG248Q and the M240Q007 in the MG248Q, considering the model numbers for P for Gsync and M for freesync....
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post #14 of 39
Quote:
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They just said it's a M240 variant and assumed its the long existing one.

See this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/4qm0jb/new_asus_mg248q_1080p_144hz_has_a_new_auo_panel/?

It's even on tftcentral, but only the mg248q's full panel name is shown. But it's safe to assume the MG and PG are the exact same.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/4tavjg/first_true_8bit_1080p_gaming_monitor/?

Panelook does NOT have the M240Q007 V0 in their database, However they have the Q004 version, which shows up as true 8 bit. So it's safe to assume that this is also true 8 bit.
http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/fe542b5a

I was having a bit of debate on reddit about these panels.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/4z7qld/why_arent_there_any_1080p_144hz_ips_gsync_monitors/

Anyway it would be completely absurd for Asus to use the M240HW01 in the PG248Q and the M240Q007 in the MG248Q, considering the model numbers for P for Gsync and M for freesync....

 

Yeah, but they used equipment on it to test the backlight uniformity and it's identical to what I have now, and that's why I am returning this monitor. Judging from the fact that it's identical to the AOC G2460PG and the fact that reports say that the XB241H uses the same panel as these two and the fact that I'm seeing the same backlight non-uniformity, I'd say all 3 of these monitors use the same panel - whatever it is.

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Please keep in mind that backlight uniformity and panel bit depth are not related. Bit depth determines the color quality, especially when dealing with alpha blending. True 10 bit is CRT color quality, but NO gaming panels in existence use true 10 bit color. Backlight uniformity is simply QA stuff. These panels are edge WLED backlit. I do understand you're frustrated with dealing with lotteries, and the only surefire way to avoid one is:

1) buy the panel locally and visit the shop and look at it before leaving the shop (which requires you to be lucky enough to live by a reseller).
2) Ask a competent engineer to open the panel and test a GREY uniform surface (Eizo monitor test works great for this) for backlight uniformity, over the phone, before ordering. You may have to pay a fee for this, and very few places will do this. However, they might be willing to test it for you, just to avoid having to deal with a RMA, but that's purely up to your haggling skills and how much they like you over the phone.

I would bet $100 cold cash that the PG248Q and MG248Q use the exact same true 8 bit panel. Notice pcmonitors.info does not have a review of the MG248Q.
TFtcentral does.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_mg248q.htm

Now I don't know if that panel was cherry picked, but they sure won the backlight lottery.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/asus_mg248q.htm#uniformity
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To give you a very simple, unscientific answer based on having an IPS right next to a TN (newer TN), please please don't fall into the trap of thinking that IPS is the ONLY option. I will honestly tell you I am just as satisfied with a calibrated TN panel as compared to an IPS one.

People can disagree all they want, but I am 100% convinced that a modern IPS and modern TN panel have a difference (in normal usage, so gaming and windows stuff....not picture editing, etc.) that is comparable to a pair of Polk floorstanding speakers vs. a $1000+ pair of floorstanding speakers. Those who have the $1000+ will swear up and down that theirs are so much better, and they do have perceivable differences, but in no way are they as much as those people will lead you to believe.

Again, some people actually have the ears to hear the difference and it is astounding to them. 99% of the population doesn't. TNs have weaknesses, but for normal usage, you will never notice them.
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Please keep in mind that backlight uniformity and panel bit depth are not related. Bit depth determines the color quality, especially when dealing with alpha blending. True 10 bit is CRT color quality, but NO gaming panels in existence use true 10 bit color. Backlight uniformity is simply QA stuff. These panels are edge WLED backlit. I do understand you're frustrated with dealing with lotteries, and the only surefire way to avoid one is:

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I would bet $100 cold cash that the PG248Q and MG248Q use the exact same true 8 bit panel. Notice pcmonitors.info does not have a review of the MG248Q.
TFtcentral does.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_mg248q.htm

Now I don't know if that panel was cherry picked, but they sure won the backlight lottery.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/asus_mg248q.htm#uniformity

 

I didn't say they're related.

 

PCmonitors.info used actual equipment on that P248Q to test its backlight uniformity and it looks identical to what I have now with the XB241H and this problem is why I'm returning it. So, I'm not going to buy the PG248Q. I'm probably just going to wait and see what else hits the market.

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What about a Benq / Zowie XL2720Z?
There's a reason I haven't upgraded mine. No backlight bleed, no dead pixels, standard luminosity variance almost matching TFTcentral's marks.
So I got to skip the panel lottery. How do you think I feel when I wanted the Eizo Foris FS2735 and found that it's a panel lottery just like the XB271HU, can't single strobe at 60hz and costs $1300?

Here is mine with brightness set to 0 in a dark room.

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It physically wouldn't fit where I have to put it. It's too wide. Plus, it doesn't have G-SYNC. After experiencing G-SYNC, I don't know if I could put up with anything else.

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What about the Benq XL2420G?
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