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Still can't believe these guys are okay with their data stolen and sent to MS servers. Nuts.
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I wasn't being rude, I was pointing out that times change. There is a saying in business "adapt or fail". In this case, either get Windows 10 or move onto Linux or your computer will be vulnerable to attacks. You (not you specifically, just people in general) can't stay on the same old OS forever. The best thing about having your own PC is you can choose what OS you want to use. You're not limited to just Windows. You can even make your own OS if you want to and you know how.

I do have a feeling all the Windows 10 haters will move onto Windows 10 (possibly 11) eventually. They always do. The same thing happened with Windows 98. A lot of people said they wouldn't move onto 2000. Then when XP came out, a lot of people said they wouldn't move from 2000 to XP, etc.

I've seen people on this forum who said they would never use Windows 8 when it was first released using Windows 8 today saying pretty much the same thing about Windows 10 that they said back in 2012 for Windows 8.

What Windows 11? The point of Windows 10 and updates is that Windows 10 is now a service and the last operating system that Microsoft will release. They will be providing kernel like updates to Windows 10 in the future, not Windows 11, 12, and 13.

You are a moderator and mature enough to know that making a statement about Windows 10 haters is the same as making a statement about Windows 10 lovers. Unless you can competently explain and defend both sides rational arguments there is no point in siding with one. This is what starts the circle jerk mob fights between "windows 10 haters" and "windows 10 lovers".
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Windows 7 is almost a decade old and Windows 8/8.1 is almost half a decade old. Either move onto Windows 10 or move to one of the many hundreds of Linux distros.

Either that, or stay with Skylake/Vishera for the rest of your life.

ummm... no.... not really... Win7 was released in 09 and 8.1 was 2014.... The word "almost" is obviously speculative but common....

While I agree with forcing progression, your comments make it seem like these OS' have been around a lot longer than they have.
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Still can't believe these guys are okay with their data stolen and sent to MS servers. Nuts.
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ummm... no.... not really... Win7 was released in 09 and 8.1 was 2014.... The word "almost" is obviously speculative but common....

While I agree with forcing progression, your comments make it seem like these OS' have been around a lot longer than they have.
Yeah but this is the internet where it's easy to have an argument based on opinions and ignore facts and reality.
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The best thing about having your own PC is you can choose what OS you want to use. You're not limited to just Windows. You can even make your own OS if you want to and you know how.

Windows isn't the only option? Many games don't work on Linux and good luck getting proper support.

Make my own OS? LOL, you're funny.
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Intel / AMD have to make a driver for every OS that runs on their chips? So you're telling me that Haiku, BSD, GNU, AmigaOS and all the other OS's no one uses are officially supported by AMD and Intel?
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What Windows 11? The point of Windows 10 and updates is that Windows 10 is now a service and the last operating system that Microsoft will release. They will be providing kernel like updates to Windows 10 in the future, not Windows 11, 12, and 13.

You are a moderator and mature enough to know that making a statement about Windows 10 haters is the same as making a statement about Windows 10 lovers. Unless you can competently explain and defend both sides rational arguments there is no point in siding with one. This is what starts the circle jerk mob fights between "windows 10 haters" and "windows 10 lovers".

Microsoft say they are going to drop support for Windows 10 in 2021 which implies there probably is going to be a Windows 11. If there is no Windows 11, there will be Windows 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc.

 

I'm not siding with Windows 10 lovers or haters, I'm pointing out that I have seen people say the same thing they are saying about Windows 10 that they were saying about Windows 8 in 2012 and a lot of those people are using either 8 or 8.1 today. I did say "on this forum" and that is true, but I haven't seen it just here. I've seen the same thing happen on a few different websites.

 

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ummm... no.... not really... Win7 was released in 09 and 8.1 was 2014.... The word "almost" is obviously speculative but common....

While I agree with forcing progression, your comments make it seem like these OS' have been around a lot longer than they have.

Yes, it was Vista that I was thinking of, not 7. Either way, 7 is 7 years old. As for 8.1, 8.1 is more of a service pack to Windows 8 than a different OS. Windows 8 was released 2012, 4 years ago or almost half a decade.

 

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Windows isn't the only option? Many games don't work on Linux and good luck getting proper support.

Make my own OS? LOL, you're funny.
 

More and more games are being released with Linux support, even some old games (Saints Row 3 comes to mind) are getting updates for Linux support. You can always run Windows 7 or older in a virtual machine within Linux if you want to play older games that won't ever get Linux support or work properly/at all in WINE.

 

You can make your own OS if you wanted to. People have done in the past, but I can't link the ones that I know of due to the nature of the OS they made.


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As has been stated, lack of explicit support doesn't even begin to translate into any prohibition.

You can still install MS-DOS 5.0 (from June 1991), which doesn't officially support any CPU newer than a 486, on a 6700K and, firmware permitting, it will work fine because the 6700K is still an x86 CPU.

Likewise Windows 7 is still going to run just fine on Kaby Lake. Kaby Lake doesn't even support any significant new instructions, so little to nothing will be lost by using Windows 7/Server 2008 (which both support AVX2 and other contemporary instruction sets) on it. At worst, mobile users won't be getting the best battery life possible.
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Is it me, or is this just a move by Microsoft, Intel, and AMD to just force people to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading? Because the performance jumps of late are really nothing impressive considering majority of people don't even use the full power of a standard desktop. Heck, some of the professorial software out there still single thread.

On other note, sure did not take long for a news thread on Microsoft to become a hate/love thread on W10. Mods may as well lock it up ahead of time as is.
     
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As has been stated, lack of explicit support doesn't even begin to translate into any prohibition.

You can still install MS-DOS 5.0 (from June 1991), which doesn't officially support any CPU newer than a 486, on a 6700K and, firmware permitting, it will work fine because the 6700K is still an x86 CPU.

Likewise Windows 7 is still going to run just fine on Kaby Lake. Kaby Lake doesn't even support any significant new instructions, so little to nothing will be lost by using Windows 7/Server 2008 (which both support AVX2 and other contemporary instruction sets) on it. At worst, mobile users won't be getting the best battery life possible.

Pretty much it right here unless Intel/AMD do something really funky. I mean, some testing tools like memory checkers, old style BIOS flashers, and so forth still boot up into DOS. Only thing to look for might be the recent update rollups have some sort of check to prevent enabling on newer architectures, and this can probably be bypassed as well.
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