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You're not limited to just Windows. You can even make your own OS if you want to and you know how.

There are a few programs that do limit you to Windows or Mac. If you want to do any serious audio production, there is nothing on Linux that matches up to the Mac and Windows offerings. I tried one that came close, but i still ended up back on Windows.
Also for video and image editing, there are linux alternatives to the industry standard packages, but they can't compare at the moment, and you will be forced back to Windows or Mac.

I agree that if you use a computer for mainly document editing, spreadsheets, web browsing and emails, any OS will probably be fine... and Linux would almost be better, in that you will be able to find a GUI Desktop Environment that suits your workflow the best. However for some tasks you are still hopelessly locked to Windows or Mac until linux seems more attractive to the big developers.
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Good... I honestly approve of the new approach MS is taking to force people to keep up with the times. The more people you have using the latest technologies, the higher the demand for new and improved technology gets, and the faster the progress we actually make.

You may approve, but many more sure don't.
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So... windows 7 won't run at all?

What about Linux? BSD?

I'm pretty sure Linux will run on it, BSDs will need to mature a little, but I'm sure they too can as well.
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Good... I honestly approve of the new approach MS is taking to force people to keep up with the times. The more people you have using the latest technologies, the higher the demand for new and improved technology gets, and the faster the progress we actually make.

You may approve, but many more sure don't.
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So... windows 7 won't run at all?

What about Linux? BSD?

I'm pretty sure Linux will run on it, BSDs will need to mature a little, but I'm sure they too can as well.

That might be true, but soon enough everyone gives in rolleyes.gif Remember people were blowing up about W8 ditching the start menu? People just never seize to amaze me. They complain about something being gone in one release, then when it's back in the next release they go on to whine about some other minute crap...
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Are 7 and 8 supported under Skylake-E (or Skylake-X or whatever they're calling HEDT Skylake)? I've found nothing to suggest that they aren't, but no definite statement that they are either.

I discovered that DX8 is not properly supported in Windows 10, which was the final straw. There is no way I'll be 100% reliant on Windows 10 before 2023. I intend to build the fastest per-core system I can with 7/8 extended support, and when (if) I see a compelling reason to run 10 (must-have CPU or DX12 game - probably not any time soon given current trends), then I will build another system and run them both. The only question is which platform to choose. I was trying to decide between Broadwell-E and Skylake, but if Skylake-E is supported, then I'll probably wait for that.
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post #65 of 102
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That might be true, but soon enough everyone gives in rolleyes.gif Remember people were blowing up about W8 ditching the start menu? People just never seize to amaze me. They complain about something being gone in one release, then when it's back in the next release they go on to whine about some other minute crap...

They give in because they eventually have no choice but to. And people do complain a lot, although whining about win10 phoning home is not something I'd call some other minute crap.. Though a firewall could easily fix that. lol.
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Nothing to see here really, MS is simply not creating drivers for any OS older than 10.

Intel and AMD can both create drivers for older OSes if they wish.

Paid by who?
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That might be true, but soon enough everyone gives in

I still haven't - Win 8 has never seen this machine or any I have and instead of running Win 10 it's Linux for now on here. I don't game or anything like that, all I need from a PC nowadays is for browsing and stuff like that with my DD useage.

Now.... Mind you I did get the Win 10 freebie just in case I may have to use it one day but I don't see the need to ever use it - More or less I got it because it was free and that's all. Linux itself has done everything I've been doing with Windows and since it's working I'm content to leave things as is.
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Remember people were blowing up about W8 ditching the start menu? People just never seize to amaze me. They complain about something being gone in one release, then when it's back in the next release they go on to whine about some other minute crap...

Can't argue with this.... If it's not one thing it will be another.
Basically it's just human nature at work and I'm just not going to worry about it so much, have more than enough to worry about on my own that's way more important than the trending gripe of the day. rolleyes.gif
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post #68 of 102
7 is still the best. Simple, well documented, and easy. Windows is still using that format in 10 to a degree, that's how good it was.

I have 7, 8, and 10 on 3 separate machines. All are very powerful and capable of running each quickly. Still prefer 7. It just works, and is easy to find things. Plus I'm not almost forced to use the stupid live tiles, and all the gimmicks they keep throwing in. They keep it up with forcing people to upgrade, I might go with Google's new OS, or *gasp* El capitan.
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This isn't news. It has been announced months ago in the Microsoft blog regarding Windows 7 and 8.1 support.

It's the only part that didn't change (Skylake support did in the meantime, as they backtracked on the limitations).

The original information is from the 15th of January: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/
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For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon.


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Are 7 and 8 supported under Skylake-E (or Skylake-X or whatever they're calling HEDT Skylake)? I've found nothing to suggest that they aren't, but no definite statement that they are either.

I discovered that DX8 is not properly supported in Windows 10, which was the final straw. There is no way I'll be 100% reliant on Windows 10 before 2023. I intend to build the fastest per-core system I can with 7/8 extended support, and when (if) I see a compelling reason to run 10 (must-have CPU or DX12 game - probably not any time soon given current trends), then I will build another system and run them both. The only question is which platform to choose. I was trying to decide between Broadwell-E and Skylake, but if Skylake-E is supported, then I'll probably wait for that.


Hmmm, I didn't know that. Rep+

I guess more work for GOG to tweak games like the original Deus Ex for compatibility then.
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Hmmm, I didn't know that.

You can still run them, they're just forced into borderless windowed mode, with all the side effects/limitations that that entails. The strange thing is, I could have sworn that I tested UT2004 (a DX8 title) on Windows 10 beta and it ran normally.

I'd like to know why DX8 titles can't run fullscreen on 10 when they can in 8.1.

I doubt GOG will do anything. They sell Unreal 2, for example, and you can't even get into the menu of that game on modern operating systems (anything past XP) without replacing protected system files, but GOG never took any measures to fix that before distributing the game. That has nothing to do with Windows 10's DX8 problem, but it shows that you can't really rely on GOG to ensure that all the games it sells are playable on modern operating systems.
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