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Too many "classic" titles under DX8... that will be updated but only through the Windows Store... rolleyes.gif
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post #72 of 102
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Originally Posted by CSCoder4ever View Post

They give in because they eventually have no choice but to. And people do complain a lot, although whining about win10 phoning home is not something I'd call some other minute crap.. Though a firewall could easily fix that. lol.
And you are in for a very long whack-a-mole game with MS... rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

Too many "classic" titles under DX8... that will be updated but only through the Windows Store... rolleyes.gif

I wonder if it has anything to do with their stupid overlay.

I remember Steam's overlay didn't work with 64bit Crysis, so their solution was to just strip out the game's 64bit exe. I can imagine Microsoft taking the same sort of lazy short cuts. Game bar doesn't work with DX8 fullscreen mode? Just force the game to run windowed, no one will notice. /speculation
Edited by Oubadah - 8/31/16 at 11:44pm
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I do have a feeling all the Windows 10 haters will move onto Windows 10 (possibly 11) eventually. They always do. The same thing happened with Windows 98. A lot of people said they wouldn't move onto 2000. Then when XP came out, a lot of people said they wouldn't move from 2000 to XP, etc.
Windows 2000 wasn't the successor to Win 98. Windows 2000 was the last NT kernel-based Windows that was designed for servers and workstations only; it was originally going to be called "Windows NT 5" until they changed it to Windows 2000 for marketing reasons.

Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows ME were the successors to 98. With Windows XP, both the consumer and server/workstation versions of Windows finally switched to NT.

With that said, Windows 2000 did work very well for most people in a regular desktop environment; Windows XP was basically just Win 2000 with some improved DOS/Win16 compatibility and a new UI. I used Win 2000 as my everyday OS from 2001 until early in 2005.
     
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Originally Posted by awdrifter View Post

If the hardware is close enough maybe the previous gen chipset drivers will work.

Intel has made chipset drivers for Windows versions that are well outside of support.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post

That might be true, but soon enough everyone gives in

Only those without resolve.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post

They complain about something being gone in one release, then when it's back in the next release they go on to whine about some other minute crap...

While Windows 8's UI was atrocious, most people major problems with Windows 8 weren't with the UI and tacking a start menu to Windows 10 hardly makes up for all that operating system's deficiencies.
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Originally Posted by Oubadah View Post

I wonder if it has anything to do with their stupid overlay.

I remember Steam's overlay didn't work with 64bit Crysis, so their solution was to just strip out the 64bit exe. I can imagine Microsoft taking the same sort of lazy short cuts. Game bar doesn't work with DX8 fullscreen mode? Just force the game to run windowed, no one will notice. /speculation

Steam, Origin, Uplay, and Windows 10 are four annoyances that will never grace my primary systems.
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With that said, Windows 2000 did work very well for most people in a regular desktop environment; Windows XP was basically just Win 2000 with some improved DOS/Win16 compatibility and a new UI. I used Win 2000 as my everyday OS from 2001 until early in 2005.

On any system with two logical CPUs or less (or more, if you have a server OS), Windows 2000 SP4 is functionally identical, other than using less memory, to Windows XP in the overwhelming majority of cases.

It even runs Crysis.
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I'm pretty sure it will work with other OSes but they won't be adding driver support
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7 is still the best. Simple, well documented, and easy. Windows is still using that format in 10 to a degree, that's how good it was.

I have 7, 8, and 10 on 3 separate machines. All are very powerful and capable of running each quickly. Still prefer 7. It just works, and is easy to find things. Plus I'm not almost forced to use the stupid live tiles, and all the gimmicks they keep throwing in. They keep it up with forcing people to upgrade, I might go with Google's new OS, or *gasp* El capitan.

I'll take 10 and 8.1 over 7 any day of the week.

7 feels slow and sluggish and missing alot of features from the recent versions. Task manager is terrible in 7, to say the least. Bad memory management. WIN + X missing. Bad resolution scaling. And I'm already using DX12 in numerous of benches and games. 10 and 8.1 has much smaller footprint. Yeah, I don't miss 7..

I'm using Windows 10 on 3 machines, Arch Linux on 2 and OSX on 1.

Microsoft is doing the right thing. One platform, one focus. If people don't want to use Windows 10, so be it.
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Originally Posted by Lass3 View Post

I'll take 10 and 8.1 over 7 any day of the week.

Then you certainly have it easier than those with different preferences.
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7 feels slow and sluggish

If 7 feels slow and sluggish on any system with a CPU faster than a 1GHz Pentium III that also has an SSD, something is wrong with how the OS is configured, not the OS itself.
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Task manager is terrible in 7, to say the least

It is, but there have been applications that do better than Windows 10's task manager for more than a decade.

Personally, I've been using Process Explorer since the Windows XP days.
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Microsoft is doing the right thing. One platform, one focus. If people don't want to use Windows 10, so be it.

I agree. There is nothing they can do to force patches upon OSes older than Windows 10, so it's not like they can disable or prevent the use of features that already exist.
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Bad resolution scaling.

It's not like Windows 10 has great scaling. That was another one of its hollow promises. Windows 10's scaling is better than 7's, but they're both absolute garbage in the grand scheme of things. Yes, Microsoft has no control over third party app devs, but I'm not talking about that. Half of the Windows environment itself still doesn't scale properly (Event Viewer etc.)

Oh, and the only scenario in which Windows 7 feels "slow" and "sluggish" compared to 10 is when running on ancient hardware. On any fast modern system, they're indistinguishable outside of boot times. I'm using 10 right now, and I move between 7 and 10 systems on a daily basis. I think you people are falling prey to the placebo effect. I sure did when I first started using 10. I was sure the UI was more responsive, until I went back to 7 and realized there was no difference at all.
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So... windows 7 won't run at all?

What about Linux? BSD?

It is a clickbait article. Ofc W7 will run, hell even XP will be capable of running unless Intel or AMD manage to break somehow backwards compatibility in their CPU's. Now getting the right drivers for the chip-set and such can be troublesome but it is not like microsoft can prevent, for example, Gigabyte releasing W7 driver for their newest motherboard. They can try ofc but they would end up in the crosshairs of quite many government agencies across the globe by trying to pull this one off.
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