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The warheads aren't armed or primed until they are close to their targets for this exact reason.

Well there would still be a lot of nuclear waste evo.gif
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Imagine that we didn't even have the need or desire to build such devices. Even better eh?


Back on topic, unfortunately these things do happen. Thankfully the payload wasn't lost.

*facepalm* We are not living in unicorn and rainbow world. Nuclear devices are needed as a dissuasive effect not to start a war.
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Honestly, My take on RE-Use-able rockets has always been one of doubt..
So much power, so much vibration, lots of soft metals to save weight..
It's a Massive Wonder that complex rockets work THE FIRST TIME around, now you want to re-use without complete overhaul.. sigh......................


Have they said it was a previously used vehicle?

Re-usable vehicles have the potential to massively reduce the cost of space travel whilst potentially making it more reliable, not less. Same as how older aircraft engines are generally considered to be more reliable than brand new ones, if a system has been previously proven to work then it is probably more reliable than if it has never been used before. It is for this reason that they test fire the rockets in the first place.

Also, engineers choose to do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard.


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Incompetence and subsequently fleeing investors generally lead to bankruptcy. That's £150million down the hole, along with completely shattered public perception.

Don't know the cause yet, might not be related to incompetence. Might be something not come across before. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way.

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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

Wait, so the payload was lost and this was a static firing?

Why would you put the payload on a vehicle undergoing a static firing test? That's like putting passengers on a target drone.

I was wondering about that. Unless there was a weight / vibration component to the test. Even then, it would have worked out cheaper to put a dummy payload up there. Or maybe they can't take the vehicle down to attach / reattach the payload between test fire and launch? There must be a reason.
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Anyone else wonder why space based craft explode so often during liftoff or test of engines and such? We have missiles that work with far higher reliability and even ones that have big enough engines to carry the missiles across continents, yet very similar ones for space based operations explode and fail regularly? Seems weird to me. You would think with all the decades of experience and massively powerful computer simulations we would have the math and science down by now.

The same reason we have toyota camrys that have engines that can go 200k+ miles with ease and F1 cars that engines that need rebuilt every couple of races. Rockets and missiles are very similar in many respects but rockets intended for space travel turn everything up to 11.
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Damnit Jeb, I said the green button!

As much as we would all like to blame jeb it was actually bob. He stuffed some extra snacks in a fuse box in the probe core. lachen.gif
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Don't know the cause yet, might not be related to incompetence. Might be something not come across before. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way.

Zuck/Musk are definitely undergoing some karmic learning today. I'll be completely honest, I can't stand either individual. Imagine trying to convince investors after this:

"Yeah we need some money to launch this"

"What, another Splode X Flaming 9? That's a NOPE"
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"Yeah we need some money to launch this"

"What, another Splode X Flaming 9? That's a NOPE"

I would be amazed if it wasn't insured in some way.
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I would be amazed if it wasn't insured in some way.

They should be thrilled no one was killed
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It's a learning curve. They are moving as fast as possible with a driven leader. Even the old school NASA had it's obvious mishaps (Challenger Disaster, which i witnessed live on the beach), but they learned a lot from their efforts over decades. How much of that institutional knowledge never passed over to the private sector when NASA was gutted?

 

This seems the epitomy of the Quality Triangle. You can only pick 2.

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Do you cuss at us! mad.gif


No,:D I just been hearing some Astronomy lectures about Exoplanets on Youtube these last days and the James Webb Telescope are apparently the next big thing. And I was worried as Ariane rockets have had some spectacular failures and the telescope are to be place beyond the moon making repairers impossible.

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No,biggrin.gif I just been hearing some Astronomy lectures about Exoplanets on Youtube these last days and the James Webb Telescope are apparently the next big thing. And I was worried as Ariane rockets have had some spectacular failures and the telescope are to be place beyond the moon making repairers impossible.

Meant it as Don't you cuss at us! As in, don't jynx it because we all want it so bad frown.gif
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I would be amazed if it wasn't insured in some way.

I doubt an insurance company is going to cover a rocket going to space. The companies just have to account for the % loss associated with launches.
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