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But even with IBM / Samsung / GF don't have much hopes, the TSMC 16nm proved that their manufacture capabilities are superior.
Who knows, maybe they will get this right.

No, they did not. Im sure there are pro's and con's to each node from different companies. One may have a strength in one aspect like switching speed where another may have the advantage in leakage and voltage. Anyway, you are talking Polaris vs Pascal in what clocks better and all that but it is still not true. You cannot compare one arch on one node to another on a different node. There is FAR more to a product that contributes to not only the clocking potential but also performance as a whole than simply what node it is on
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I don't get it, if intel will be at 10nm in 1-2 years and AMD will be at 7nm in 2025?  Then how can they know intel will still be on 10nm in 2025?

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I don't get it, if intel will be at 10nm in 1-2 years and AMD will be at 7nm in 2025?  Then how can they know intel will still be on 10nm in 2025?

Do you have any idea how long Intel worked on 14nm? It was delayed again and again due to how much harder it's getting to shrink transistors. We won't see 7nm before 2020 from either consortium.

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I don't get it, if intel will be at 10nm in 1-2 years and AMD will be at 7nm in 2025?  Then how can they know intel will still be on 10nm in 2025?

I believe the idea is that 14nm is small enough to make significant advancements to the die, the thing is FF refers to the power gates of the processor not the actual physical components they'll be able to shrink the internal components as their yield improves. What people don't realize is that fabrication only means the maximum a specific component within the process has been shrunken to.anything could be 14nm and they'll say it's 14nm. At least 14nm FF allows a smoother transition as opposed to moving a whole chip design to that fabrication process. Even Intel chips are not entirely 14nm. Zen+ is probably just more components of the CPU getting shrunk.
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I don't get it, if intel will be at 10nm in 1-2 years and AMD will be at 7nm in 2025?  Then how can they know intel will still be on 10nm in 2025?

I don't know where this whole 2025 thing is coming from, but it's entirely made up. All of the fabs claim to reach 7nm before then.
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I don't get it, if intel will be at 10nm in 1-2 years and AMD will be at 7nm in 2025?  Then how can they know intel will still be on 10nm in 2025?

I don't know where this whole 2025 thing is coming from, but it's entirely made up. All of the fabs claim to reach 7nm before then.

Reaching it does not mean it being ready for mass production. They will be working on 7nm even longer than they have on 14nm (work is ongoing) and 14 was years late.

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Reaching it does not mean it being ready for mass production. They will be working on 7nm even longer than they have on 14nm (work is ongoing) and 14 was years late.

By reach, clearly I meant mass producing it. Samsung claims 10nm by the end of this year. Do you really think it'll take 8 years for the next step to be ready? 2025 is a nonesense number that someone made up, nothing more, nothing less.
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Reaching it does not mean it being ready for mass production. They will be working on 7nm even longer than they have on 14nm (work is ongoing) and 14 was years late.

By reach, clearly I meant mass producing it. Samsung claims 10nm by the end of this year. Do you really think it'll take 8 years for the next step to be ready? 2025 is a nonesense number that someone made up, nothing more, nothing less.

That is very much possible but to say that we will have 7nm by 2018 is just as much a guess.

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Well, thanks everyone for giving me information.  I have never read up or studied this kind of stuff. 

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So Zen competes against Skylake-X and its upgrades and Zen+ ( 2019/2020? ) on 7nm will compete against Icelake-X ( new architecture ) and its upgrades.

Can 7nm Zen bring 120cores?
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