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I told you the only remaining choice was the AOC. Good luck with that though. Hope you get a good panel.

 

Hey! :)

 

I've been meaning to ask you: can you think of any examples where I'd see a difference between the true 8-bit and the 6-bit + FRC?

 

(and by the way, I can't thank you enough for all of the knowledge you've given me and for how nice and friendly you are)

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I'm actually a hothead -.-

bit depth is most noticed on the low end of the spectrum in extremely dark or grey areas. Also with fogging and other transparent layers, particularly with noise in the image area (FRC) or banding in extreme cases (lack of sufficient depth). I'm no expert on this topic. Lagom.nl should be your first stop for reading about it. Then any links shown, and then just the good old forum and google searches.

It gets easier to find information when you start comparing true 6 bit with true 8 bit and 8 bit vs 10 bit...
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post #23 of 76
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I'm actually a hothead -.-

 

Well I admit there have been times in the past where we didn't get along, but you've still been very nice. It's very nice to have someone helping who listens and who genuinely wants to help. Now, I imagine others are reading this going, "What about me? Haven't I done the same?" Don't get me wrong, everyone's been great (with a few obvious exceptions that I don't need to go into detail about). It's just that you've not only been nice, but you've also been putting extra effort into teaching me things and damn, I am grateful to you for that. It's helping me make a more informed decision even though this process is still tough thanks to the way the market is.

 

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bit depth is most noticed on the low end of the spectrum in extremely dark or grey areas. Also with fogging and other transparent layers, particularly with noise in the image area (FRC) or banding in extreme cases (lack of sufficient depth). I'm no expert on this topic. Lagom.nl should be your first stop for reading about it. Then any links shown, and then just the good old forum and google searches.

It gets easier to find information when you start comparing true 6 bit with true 8 bit and 8 bit vs 10 bit...

 

Oh! So is it like comparing "High Color 16-bit" to "True Color 32-bit"?

 

I'd look into it a bit more, but I might need a day or two or three before I have enough patience and energy to do the research. I kinda just want to go play games now. lol


Edited by TwoCables - 9/3/16 at 4:11pm
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post #24 of 76
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I think I'm just going to order the ASUS PG248Q from Best Buy (the only place I can get it from right now) because if I don't like it, then I can easily return it to a local store. The only bad thing is, it's $482.73 after tax for me ($32.74 in tax). However, if it doesn't have the problems of the XB241H that I had, then I think this will be worth it because I plan to have whatever monitor I end up with for several years.

 

Would this be a mistake?

 

Judging from this review, it doesn't have the same problem my XB241H had even though it supposedly has the same panel: https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/asus-pg248q/

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post #25 of 76
TwoCables

Maybe you should try it! But yellowish glow will be there for shure.
Edited by Dornan - 9/4/16 at 3:40am
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This video makes it look to be everything I want:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHNSzYJVFMM

 

The upper-left corner isn't darker, and when he cycles through the various blue light reduction settings, the top-left again doesn't look different from the rest. Even with the XB241H's weakest blue light reduction setting, the top-left corner area was noticeably an ugly brown compared to the rest. It was distracting.

 

Then apparently when viewed from the top-down, it's not purple. The Acer XB241H became purple from above. I don't know what that means, but it's something reviewers are looking at, and so I looked at it when I had the XB241H.

 

I saw other video  reviews of this monitor too, and y'know what..... I'm just going to try it out. I can pick it up today at Best Buy in 2 hours, so that's what I'm going to do. I can always go right back and return it. It's only a 10-minute drive. Sure, it'll be $482.73 after tax instead of the $394.99 shipped I paid for the XB241H, but I'm willing to pay good money if it means I'll be happy with it for several years to come. My Samsung 2253BW is over 8 years old and still seems to be going quite strong.

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post #27 of 76
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Please make photos when the monitor arrives! smile.gif
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I can't do photos, but I can describe something that I'm not happy with. I'm getting a visible grid pattern in darker areas of my games as described by someone else here:

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2620875/asus-rog-swift-pg278q-mesh-grid-pattern-motion.html

 

I can't unsee it. Everyone who knows what they're talking about says this is normal for all of these ROG Swift monitors and can't be changed. Sigh. Finding a monitor I can live with is turning out to be quite difficult.

 

The backlight uniformity is bad, but much better than the XB241H. The result of that is, the blue light filter has a slightly better look than the XB241H did. The whole top is still browner, but I expected that because of this:

 

https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/PG248Q-luminance-uniformity-map.png

 

Source: https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/asus-pg248q/

 

So, I really don't know what I'm going to do yet. It's like, I either deal with this visible grid in dark areas, or I return it and wait for something better to come along while having no idea how much longer my 2253BW will last.


Edited by TwoCables - 9/4/16 at 12:50pm
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Does your monitor have a "sharpness" setting?
If it does, can you set the sharpness to the lowest value (giving the most blurry text/image as a result) and see if that does anything to the 'inversion artifacts'?
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Does your monitor have a "sharpness" setting?
If it does, can you set the sharpness to the lowest value (giving the most blurry text/image as a result) and see if that does anything to the 'inversion artifacts'?

 

Unfortunately, it doesn't have that.

 

I don't know if these are inversion artifacts or if this is something caused by the 3D coating someone talked about (3D coating? What?).

 

This grid-like appearance doesn't move. It's just, always there. If the game scene I'm looking at is dark and I'm moving, I can see it. If I stop moving, then I can still see it but I could probably begin to unsee it. If the scene is brighter, then I can't see it.


Edited by TwoCables - 9/4/16 at 1:22pm
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