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You know, it's possible that there are a TON of people out there, and we have to have products to meet all their tastes.

I'm sorry this one isn't your personal style. Please feel free to buy something else.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not aimlessly bashing; I'm just noticing a trend toward designs like these, instead of the design direction Corsair has taken in the past.
I'd cite the Obsidian series, which is a very clean and elegant case design.

I would hope, that if Corsair is going to continue appeasing the "slammed"-crowd equivalent to PC builders, they'll also do the polar opposite. There's a bigger market for people who want clean designs than you guys might expect.

I get the need for a line of cases that just completely panders to this particular trend, but we all know it's gag-worthy. It encourages the type of consumer you'll typically find on OCN to completely abandon mainstream manufacturers like Corsair. There's a need for meaningful advancement in professional designs; things have been stagnant for a long time. You don't want small startups taking away a market that Corsair can easily monetize.
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In Corsair's defense, you wouldn't believe the amount of Spec series and Spec Alpha cases I saw in Asia this spring. Different folks, different strokes. All enthusiast forums in fields like computers, cameras, audio, cars etc have a different "standard" and then the market does something else.
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It's almost as if everyone looking at the one case they don't like has just assumed Corsair doesn't make simple minimalistic cases anymore.

The case was obviously not supposed to be marketed towards you? I get saying you aren't into it but I love that random people on a forum all of a sudden are marketing and product experts
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I like both cases. When are they out?
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I like both cases. When are they out?

The Crystal 460x is in stock here: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/crystal-series-460x-compact-atx-mid-tower-case

I can't find the Air 740 yet in stock in the US.
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It's almost as if everyone looking at the one case they don't like has just assumed Corsair doesn't make simple minimalistic cases anymore.

The case was obviously not supposed to be marketed towards you? I get saying you aren't into it but I love that random people on a forum all of a sudden are marketing and product experts
Well, no. We know they make professional looking cases, still. The problem is that there's been so little innovation, in that sector. That's the trend I'm trying to address.

I'm saying there's a large crowd of people who loved cases like those in the Obsidian series. The sales were surely there, to back up that claim. I think they've shifted gears to capitalize on the trend of over-the-top, "slammed" designs. That's business. I encourage that.

A void is opening up, though. People who would never look at these cases (and there are a lot of them) are bound to see a lack of improvements on more refined, clean case designs. That's the point I'm trying to drive home. People are waiting for minimalist, professional designs to develop better standards. Glass windows, better-hidden seams, better finishes. So many designs, lately, have touched on these points but made critical failures. We all see them; beautiful powder coated aluminium finishes, and then a giant dull plastic frame holding those panels together. Scratched up plexiglass windows, ugly airflow grilles. Critical failures in execution, for almost no reason.

Obsidian was a great benchmark that had consistent quality. It gave me high hopes for Corsair, but they stopped pushing the bar there and started focusing on the "slammed PC" crowd.

I think they should recognize that a lot of people look at these releases, hoping for new designs that are genuinely tasteful. Those people won't wait forever and Corsair could earn from throwing them a bone a bit more often.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not aimlessly bashing; I'm just noticing a trend toward designs like these, instead of the design direction Corsair has taken in the past.
I'd cite the Obsidian series, which is a very clean and elegant case design.

I would hope, that if Corsair is going to continue appeasing the "slammed"-crowd equivalent to PC builders, they'll also do the polar opposite. There's a bigger market for people who want clean designs than you guys might expect.

I get the need for a line of cases that just completely panders to this particular trend, but we all know it's gag-worthy. It encourages the type of consumer you'll typically find on OCN to completely abandon mainstream manufacturers like Corsair. There's a need for meaningful advancement in professional designs; things have been stagnant for a long time. You don't want small startups taking away a market that Corsair can easily monetize.

I don't know if you have seen the 400C and 400Q.

They are pretty minimalist designs.

Also our entire Obsidian family of cases are minimalist, black aluminum, monolith designed cases.

We aren't doing this instead of that. We're adding to our portfolio.

Like it or not - some people REALLY like lighting. And we figure if you like LEDs, you should be able to pick which color LEDs you have. Personally my keyboard is a black K70 with the RGB lighting set to white. But I like the idea that I have the choice to change it to blue or red or yellow if I want. I don't have a rainbow profile or anything set up - though I like the knowledge that I have the capability to do that if I want.

Corsair has always been about performance AND style. We not only have the fastest DDR4 in the world, we make some of the best looking stuff (Vengeance LED, Dominator Platinum, etc), and we always have since the XMS and XMS PRO days.

The Glass 460X is a gorgeous case in person - for photos we stocked it up with LED fans, to show that it's glass and transparent. Glass is hard to photograph well so you need to show light passing through it or reflecting off it.

The AIR 740 - you can like or dislike the design, that's up to you. But functionally it's an improvement over the AIR 540 - it can fit more radiators, more hard drives, and we killed the 5.25" bay compatibility for a more efficient use of space.

You can build this:


Inside the AIR 740.

Feature wise it's an improvement and it's only $10 more than the AIR 540.

We still sell ML, SP, and AF series fans without LEDs. So it's not like you're forced to get them.

So what's the issue with variety?

If you don't like Pralines & Cream ice cream, don't order it. There's dozens of other flavors.

LOTS of people want to buy this stuff and we can do it better than a lot of our competitors. The MM800 RGB mouse pad? That's got more features than the Razer version and better software control.

It's not a product for me specifically (or for you maybe) but that's why we have the MM300, MM400, and MM600 products.

I guess I just don't get it.

Instead of "Not my taste, Corsair. I'll be sticking with my Obsidian 750D" we hear "Corsair you have forsaken all you once held dear."

Why can't we just be happy that there are MORE PC BUILDERS and gamers than ever before?

We all started somewhere - some of these new guys have NEVER built a PC before. Can you imagine how fun it would be to build your first PC right now? So many options for colors, so many great looking motherboards and GPUs, so many cooling options....

Man. When I started building PCs they were beige and beige only. And nothing was the same shade of beige.

So I'm just happy we have so many options nowadays. More options is always good.
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Quite the harsh feedback guys...geez.

I, for one, kinda like the looks of the Carbide 740. I think it looks better than the 540, and it's internal design gives a lot of room to accommodate many rig types (I"m thinking EK Predator 280 at the top, two hybrid graphics cards with the rads mounted on the bottom and 3 120s up front).

I also don't see the hate for the influx of RGB products. We didn't have these products a couple years ago. There is a market for them. If you don't like them, then don't buy them...simple as that. Corsair and others are simply catering to a newcoming market, and for them to be releasing so many products based on RGB lighting (keyboards, fans, etc.), I'm guessing that they're doing pretty well. What's wrong with having more variety? I don't recall people complaining so much about cherry mx rgb and rgb mice, but now that we have fans and other peripherals, people start to complain...

Reading through this thread is like reading through the comments on a youtube video. Keep up the OCN professionalism guys.
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I think the 740 looks great. I may just dump my Define S for one.
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Instead of "Not my taste, Corsair. I'll be sticking with my Obsidian 750D" we hear "Corsair you have forsaken all you once held dear."
Lol. I'm sure you hear it so often that it's hard not to hear it when you introduce anything new.

That's what I'm trying to avoid, though.

Take the 400C and 400Q, for instance. They are very clean, minimalist designs. They're very well executed, with emphasis on the minimalism. What people are after, though, is not just the minimalism. Minimalism, ironically, is the core of a truly tasteful, premium design. I think this is why the Obsidian series was so popular -- it was a new benchmark that added taste and minimalism in a way that felt new and complete. I don't think recent minimalist Corsair models are making significant advancements, the way that Obsidian did. They feel more like products that could have been launched along side of Obsidian; they capture the same new standard, but don't push the bar.

What I love about Corsair's minimalist products is that they frequently get it "right" in terms of making minimalism feel premium. A design like Spec Alpha is in your face, screaming that it's premium. A well done Obsidian or 400Q build is detracting attention from itself and putting the spotlight on your actual hardware. If you look at a 400Q itself with it's chubby square feet and humble finish, you see it's something of a Volkswagon in terms of quality. The quality is there, it's consistent, and it has a personality from that uniformity. It's still not quite a premium product, itself, though. It's good because it's not a low-quality product pretending to be a high quality product, and this allows it to showcase a high quality PC build without drawing attention to itself.

I'd like to see Corsair moving forward with minimalist designs that do show their quality when you really look at them. Those ugly beige towers we had in the 90's were completely slain by anything, anything that didn't draw so much attention. We continued seeking that for a long time, until finally opening up the door panel to show off the aesthetics of our hardware. Now, there's a great thirst to show off those aesthetics but it's being trampled on by low quality, high-flashiness cases and LED's.

Most designs right now are shamelessly aimed at attracting your eye, but when you take a good look you just see lackluster quality. Minimalist designs don't attract your eye, thankfully, because you see the same lackluster quality when you look at those as well.

There is an overall trend toward better minimalist designs, but it's been very slow and the attempts that case designers make at this often have massive failures in execution that ruin the entire thing. Corsair spent a long time improving this problem. The Obsidian series, in particular, was a huge leap forward. It didn't blow your mind from afar, but it did look good. When you looked closer, it still looked pretty good.

I guess what I'd like to see is more effort being put into making minimalist designs cleaner, by using quality designs everywhere. There are some pretty easy ways to cover eyesores like I/O panels, wiring, airflow grilles, and 3.5in bays. Over-the-top, flashy designs seek to solve these issues. Clean, elegant, minimalist cases can do this too.

Corsair seemed to understand how to deliver a product aimed toward people looking for that kind of case, at one point. I was hoping to see more advancements in that direction, but things have stagnated a bit.
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