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They soon will...Remember the internet is only 25 years old...

What is amazing about the human brain is the amount of information it can process. Computers are fantastic at input/output operations where this is a set of paramaters and you need to find a solution based on those parameters and a presented problem.

The human brain, though, is constantly taking in information and interpreting it. Most of that information is noise that is discarded and never used again, but we have the ability to weed out important bits of info and assemble it into order and create an "idea" based on that info and existing knowledge that we already have. The problem is that we suck at linear thinking where very specific variables are in play and we can only stick to those parameters, whereas a computer is extremely good at that.

This is why humans will never be outdated. It would take an awesomely powerful computer to be able to mimic the amount of data that the human brain interprets/decodes/sorts every second.
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Don't worry, once AI really takes off and surpasses human intelligence, those who own the AI and automation will simply not hire any employees at all when starting a business.

The government will replace teachers with Microsoft Cortana™ terminals.

Boston Robotics' humanoid repair bots will replace handy-men, plumbers, etc.

AI will control Social Media feeds to enhance marketing.

Movies will be made 100% from CGI libraries, including voices, sound effects, etc.

AI will write movies based off sales data.

Then when the US Federal Government defaults on their debt to China, they enslave and ship US citizens to the Chinese factories that make the automated systems; but not to make the robots, to clean them for $0.05 an hour.

The tinfoil is a bit tight here. But you're right, once a country goes full consumerism and doesn't make anything anymore, you've pretty much lost your edge to a country that builds and prefers to build.
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Just remember, this is what a $15/hr minimum wage gets you...

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Just remember, this is what a $15/hr minimum wage gets you...


You would still get that even if minimum wage was $7.25. It is happening now because it is possible now.

I build automation platforms which are putting highly educated workers in drug development, bench chemists and formulators, out of work. 10 of their jobs can be done better by one or two people and an expensive robot (at least it will get there soonish). Automating things like accounting and invoicing jobs will reduce error rates and processing times, there is more to it than simply reducing payrolls (but that is still the main reason it is happening).

I think automation is good, people doing jobs we do not need a person to do simply so they can be employed is a waste of human talent. We might as well employ people to dig holes and fill them in again. What to do about those people who cannot find work now that they do not need to dig and fill holes is going to be a difficult question in the next decades.
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Yep, automation coming no matter if you like it or not.

Offset this time is it going to displace a whole lot of people having jobs. Going to definitely be interesting times ahead for sure as some standard concepts on work and pay needs to be address.
 
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This is why humans will never be outdated. It would take an awesomely powerful computer to be able to mimic the amount of data that the human brain interprets/decodes/sorts every second.

This was the assumption 10-15 years ago, but it's turning out to be a false assumption as well. You are seeing things like computers playing Go at a high level, which was thought to be impossible due to the insane number of possible moves. The movement of GPU's from a small number of cores to thousands of shaders has really opened the door to giving computers thousands and thousands of cores to process with, and make them process data more and more like a human can. Modern AI systems tend to even be programmed how to learn, and not directly how to do the task.


There is no job that is safe from being automated, just ones that will take longer to automate. The real big job upset is going to be automated cars. How many millions of jobs are directly related to driving? There's absolutely no reason to have a human inside of a semi truck once they can drive without one.
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You would still get that even if minimum wage was $7.25. It is happening now because it is possible now.

I build automation platforms which are putting highly educated workers in drug development, bench chemists and formulators, out of work. 10 of their jobs can be done better by one or two people and an expensive robot (at least it will get there soonish). Automating things like accounting and invoicing jobs will reduce error rates and processing times, there is more to it than simply reducing payrolls (but that is still the main reason it is happening).

I think automation is good, people doing jobs we do not need a person to do simply so they can be employed is a waste of human talent. We might as well employ people to dig holes and fill them in again. What to do about those people who cannot find work now that they do not need to dig and fill holes is going to be a difficult question in the next decades.

Yes it is good... but only if we increase our net output. Unless that happens, REAL unemployment will go up and what jobs there are will pay junk.

Technology has always improved the economy, so the thing to do is adapt if you need to.
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Just remember, this is what a $15/hr minimum wage gets you...

If you only knew what they were designing and testing as we type.  Automated Burger flippers, supply to grill....it's insane.  If that minimum wage hits we will see those faster than if we don't.

 

In the late 90's they spent millions of dollars to cut one job in the Drive thru with the ABS system.

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This was the assumption 10-15 years ago, but it's turning out to be a false assumption as well. You are seeing things like computers playing Go at a high level, which was thought to be impossible due to the insane number of possible moves. The movement of GPU's from a small number of cores to thousands of shaders has really opened the door to giving computers thousands and thousands of cores to process with, and make them process data more and more like a human can. Modern AI systems tend to even be programmed how to learn, and not directly how to do the task.


There is no job that is safe from being automated, just ones that will take longer to automate. The real big job upset is going to be automated cars. How many millions of jobs are directly related to driving? There's absolutely no reason to have a human inside of a semi truck once they can drive without one.

Go is incredibly complex, but it also has very simple rules. These AI also cheat because they are fed data samples of millions of games to seed them. We are centuries away from an ai that could replace a humans thoughts. You have to remember that everything we know was created. Just because a robot can say 100C is hot, doesnt mean they understand it. We created Celsius, we created numbers, we created what the definition of hot is, etc. Science isnt understanding, it's creating a repeatable system to make sense of what we do not know. AI must be able to create and understand 100% on their own without human guidelines, or seeding, otherwise it's not actually intelligence.
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I still can't get over the fact that this company has 1.5 million workers. Repositioning workers are better than firing them... although it's about the same...

Bob was hired to count cash, etc... and has done it for years. Then managers tell him to mop floors or quit...

This is a subtle form of downsizing. More PR-friendly.

God help the people who now have to interact with the general public.

1.5 million is the US workforce. Your statement is in fact correct, but you interpreted the news incorrectly.
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