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I feel like a complete moron. I moved to Seattle a couple weeks ago. The wife and kids dont get here for another 4 weeks. I totally should be at PAX, but I didn't buy tickets.
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post #22 of 74
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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

To be fair, it's not just their PR team. It's AMD's general business model. It has to be, because NV has a yearly revenue that is roughly 5x larger than AMD as a whole. Intel has a yearly revenue that is roughly 55x larger than AMD as a whole.

If not for AMD, Intel and NV would both have a monopoly over their respective market. When you look at the way NV leans toward proprietary technology, it's hard not to interpret that as a strike against consumer choice. It's also hard not to interpret it as kicking a dog while it's down.

Now, I'm not saying that anyone should idealize AMD as an objectively moral company. That said, people do naturally work by polarizing their views in that way, and they can often switch to the polar opposite quite quickly without ever recognizing the folly of taking a polarized view in the first place. That's a failure of people, in general -- not AMD.

I don't really care how people get there, but people do need to start sending money AMD's way to preserve competition. AMD can't be expected to compete against Intel with 1/55th of the budget of Intel. They can't be expected to compete against NV with 1/5th of their budget. It's amazing that they're competing at all.

Even when AMD does have superior products, they tend to get blasted. Their most successful CPU products were dusted by Intel's anti-competitive practices. If you don't know about that, there are plenty of articles about it on the internet. Intel still hasn't paid their 1.2 billion settlement, which for AMD would be the equivalent of you having your wage doubled for an entire year. Their most successful GPU products were dusted by consumer dogma.

It's no wonder how they ended up being completely incapable of competition, at certain times.

Consumers do need to recognize that in the long run, the last competitor standing should be viewed as a "good-guy" .. Why? Because if those consumers are too ignorant to understand the need for competition, they should at least fall on an ignorant conclusion that serves their own needs.

And consumers do need a competitor to NV.

While I agree that nvidia and intel need competition, I do not agree on many of your points.

AMD just like nvidia, have a lot of their own proprietary patents, and nvidia developing tech does not mean it is a bad thing (and it is actually what pushed AMD to release their own opengpu, so competition goes both ways). They are pushing developers and collaborate with them just like nvidia.
They also have half decent APUs and some decent useful CPUs (which they are just not pushing them well enough).
But they are doing it all in a negative aspect. And there is no reason for that.

They are going by making hype on how good their CPUs are compared to intel. How good their GPUs are compared to nvidia. How has that been working out for them so far?
Every time in the last 7-8 years, and it is pretty much almost every time, their hype fails, and they fall flat on their face.

I understand making hype, but are bad ways to do it, and they are hitting that spot constantly.
Their latest hype on the 480? Comparing it to the 1080... yeah.

AMD need to not act like an underdog and instead showcase their abilities. Show how good looking they can make games on a mid range GPU, show how productive their CPUs are and collaborate with manufacturers to make the most out of the APUs. Start to get their opengpu libraries out there, even if it means paying developers (like the claims nvidia are doing with their gameworks system), instead of spending useless money on "rebel" signs and PR stupidity.

AMD needing money, they should earn it. Just giving them money is not going to make them any better. Current competition is pretty much a joke tbh. Intel are dominating the market, nvidia are not fully but enough dominating the market.
The reason why AMD has a decent dGPU segment, is because their GPUs are decent in the price/performance market, and they are doing going decent. They should capitalise it and push on it. Doing so by attacking nvidia and their tech and do a "cry-me-a-river" scenarios, is pointless. I don't remember AMD pushing cards ads. I only remember AMD saying "gameworks sucks!". That is now how you want to remember AMD I hope.

(and please stop with that 1.2B. It has been shown that intel has already paid AMD some good years ago, and it is about the payment to EU which is still under appeal, not AMD).
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post #23 of 74
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I think your trying a little too hard there putting Nvidia on a pedestal. Nvidia has an excellent PR team but their underhanded tactics are very well known and documented

I am not. And yes, they do have shady business sometimes, just like AMD are playing with numbers and hide stuff, or intel or whatever.

I was talking about AMD PR. They need to fix the negative aspect of what they are doing. I prefer "clean fights with some shady at the background" than "lets throw faces everywhere".
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before i get violated by ngreedia fans. thumb.gif

Spoken like a true "rebel" fanboy thumb.gif
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If AMD's problems are so obvious and easy to fix, then why not sign the contract and join them? Since you obviously know your stuff.
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If AMD's problems are so obvious and easy to fix, then why not sign the contract and join them? Since you obviously know your stuff.

No sure what you are talking about. I was just talking about their PR behaviour, not their issues with designing their own CPUs and GPUs.

Also I'm all willing for them to offer me a millions dollar contract. Just tell me where to sign biggrin.gif
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https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-reports-record-full-year-revenue-of-55-9-billion-generates-net-income-of-11-7-billion-up-22-percent-year-over-year/

55.9b for 2015. You probably caught a quarterly number or something other than revenue, like I did on my annual AMD revenue figure which should have been annual rather than for a quarter. Nevertheless, it's an impressively low number when you consider how thinly spread that revenue must be to keep their CPU and GPU divisions ticking.
This part, you're wrong on. http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Intel-still-hasnt-paid-AMD-12-billion-USD-anti-trust-fine

Stop right there. It has been discussed already and verified. That article is wrong, and even the sources that article has linked are saying Intel hasn't paid EU fine, not AMD settlement. AMD will not see a single cent from that EU fine.
Settlement money has been paid already, in 2009.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-1.25-billion-settlement,9258.html
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No sure what you are talking about. I was just talking about their PR behaviour, not their issues with designing their own CPUs and GPUs.

Also I'm all willing for them to offer me a millions dollar contract. Just tell me where to sign biggrin.gif

 

Not sure what you're saying but each time i see your post , there is always negative point (about their product).Your posts are worse than AMD PR!

 

Why do you blame AMD when one wants to compare RX 480 to GTX 1080? Blame AMD fanboy not AMD.

 

their products are fine.Feel free to read this review of HIS Radeon RX 480 IceQ X2 8GB.

 

http://videocardz.com/review/his-radeon-rx-480-iceq-x2-roaring-turbo-8gb-review

 

Still RX 480 can hold GTX1060.If their Products are decent , It's useless that you write negative post in every AMD thread.


Edited by Xuper - 9/4/16 at 1:06am
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Stop right there. It has been discussed already and verified. That article is wrong, and even the sources that article has linked are saying Intel hasn't paid EU fine, not AMD settlement. AMD will not see a single cent from that EU fine.
Settlement money has been paid already, in 2009.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-1.25-billion-settlement,9258.html
Well why does that article even exist? God damn you, internet. You're not supposed to tell me lies.

I don't care. Everyone stop fact checking my post, I don't give a damn. This all started with a guy criticizing AMD for playing the victim and they bloody well should. AMD does focus on open source ventures, and the enthusiast market will curl up and die if people don't start supporting them at every opportunity. Did no one learn their lesson from the last 8 years of a virtual Intel monopoly?

God damn it. Just let people think buying AMD products is objectively moral. Let them think NV is objectively immoral. Just shut up and let it happen because the alternative is not pretty.
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Well why does that article even exist? God damn you, internet. You're not supposed to tell me lies.

I don't care. Everyone stop fact checking my post, I don't give a damn. This all started with a guy criticizing AMD for playing the victim and they bloody well should. AMD does focus on open source ventures, and the enthusiast market will curl up and die if people don't start supporting them at every opportunity. Did no one learn their lesson from the last 8 years of a virtual Intel monopoly?

God damn it. Just let people think buying AMD products is objectively moral. Let them think NV is objectively immoral. Just shut up and let it happen because the alternative is not pretty.

What is up with all the negativity? They actually posted net profit last quarter the first time in like ages and Zen is looking like it actually has a chance to complete. It looks like they can actually turn around and stay profitable for next few quarters, and if they can generate more revenue, more R/D money for GPUs. just give it some time, you are making it sounds like AMD is on its last legs lol.
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What is up with all the negativity? They actually posted net profit last quarter the first time in like ages and Zen is looking like it actually has a chance to complete. It looks like they can actually turn around and stay profitable for next few quarters, and if they can generate more revenue, more R/D money for GPUs. just give it some time, you are making it sounds like AMD is on its last legs lol.

If you look at the numbers, the profit was done by selling new stocks. It was not actually profit from selling CPUs or GPUs.
This is similar to them not losing money by selling assets. For example 2 years ago they made only a small amount of loss only because of the deal to sell their last fab, and later their deal to sell their assembly factory.

Selling assets (factory or stocks) does not equal being profitable. It does give some extra room for breathing, but it is not really the same as being suddenly profitable.
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