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Originally Posted by prjindigo View Post

Clock to clock it matched a 5960. I really can't give a damn if it can't do one thread faster than an 8350. Zen-8 isn't a gamer chip, it's a work chip. The gamer chips are the Zen-4 with APU. intel has NOTHING that is gonna match them for total performance in a micro gaming box.

AMD APUs CPU performance is sub par even to the cheap i3 CPUs. They are so far off the i5 and i7 enthusiastic CPUs AMD plan to rival, that even twice the performance they will miss the mark.
The only good thing they have is a half-decent GPU which can't really do most games at 1080 without having to go to minimum settings. This isn't even close to be a "gamer chip".

Even if intel don't have something to match the APUs in terms of CPU+GPU combo, they don't have to. Its market is small, and AMD share in it is so insignificant to intel, that they seem not to care so much.
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Ehm yes, a grain of salt:


These assumptions are based on a whole lot of nothing.

i mean if you don't know what "grain of salt" means i'm sure you could just ask someone.
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This writeup is actual trash. They're actually claiming that Zen is slower than a stock 990X while on demo it on par with a 3GHz 6900k, and that's with 3GHz clocks. Even if Blender is a fairly optimal case, the performance gap between those is about 60%. That's very hard to believe when the gap between Vishera and BW-E is far larger in Blender than Cinebench R15.
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AMD APUs CPU performance is sub par even to the cheap i3 CPUs. They are so far off the i5 and i7 enthusiastic CPUs AMD plan to rival, that even twice the performance they will miss the mark.
The only good thing they have is a half-decent GPU which can't really do most games at 1080 without having to go to minimum settings. This isn't even close to be a "gamer chip".

Even if intel don't have something to match the APUs in terms of CPU+GPU combo, they don't have to. Its market is small, and AMD share in it is so insignificant to intel, that they seem not to care so much.
Uh, not really. Twice the performance of an A10-7890K would be right at high-end i5, maybe even mid-range i7 territory on the desktop side. Twice the performance on the notebook side would be right at top of the line mobile i7 territory.
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Everybody knows Zen hasn't launched yet nor do we have various benchmarks of it. It is supposed to be released somewhere in 2017.
AMD have already showed us diagrams fixing most of what Bulldozer lacked.
But somehow we are already getting news with the title like this "Confirmation of Zen troubles". tongue.gif

Look the keyword is Confirmation in here.
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This speculation was amusing before the blender comparison with a 6900k. The real question is does Zen overclock well.
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The real question is does Zen overclock well.
The Rumor Come Out: Does Is Zen well overclock?
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The Rumor Come Out: Does Is Zen well overclock?

Machine learning confirmed. biggrin.gif
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post #29 of 114
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i mean if you don't know what "grain of salt" means i'm sure you could just ask someone.

 

More is better. It true more often than not :P

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I love how you guys believe any speculations when it's in your favor but when it's not you trounce all over it saying it can't be true. 

AMDs own slide shows that zen is X2 the performance as an 8100.   If an 8100 really only gets ~500 in cinebench, then we can expect zen to net around 1000 right?  My 4790k gets higher then that. 

Real question is, what is Orochi and is it really the 8100 or the 8350.

Orochi is almost certainly 8100 clocked to 3Ghz, and the Zen is also at 3GHz.

For a performance comparison with your CPU, clock it to 3GHz and realize that we are talking about multithreaded performance on eight core CPUs.
Edited by looncraz - 9/3/16 at 5:00pm
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