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post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

Why did you ask for advice, and then completely reject a unanimous answer from two very experienced people?

Because he has no clue that the people trying to help him have intimate knowledge of the review process and hands on experience with these coolers, and no clue that most of what he reads is ad money driven.
post #12 of 26
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If they don't give any facts about to why they suggest X cooler is the best and superior to the others, I cannot take it for serious.
Reading through his guide, he hasn't even tested the Thermalright True Spirit 90.
Very experienced doesn't mean they are infallible.



Ahahaha, and then the conspiracy about those review sites are ad money driven, but himself, he has the real true intimate knowledge.

And still no data of the cooler...

Whatever, it's useless to talk.

Peace out.whistle.gif
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by Hiki View Post

Hello,

Is there even an alternative to Noctua NH-U9S/NH-D9L with dual fan setup?
I am searching for a cheaper alternative with the same amount of cooling performance or maybe even better.
I plan to put in an i5 6600K with decent OC (maybe up to 4,4Ghz, but at least constant 4,2Ghz), GTX 1070 and so on.

And please don't recommend me some top-blow ones.

Um... first of all, Noctua as a brand in general is arguably considered the top of the line in terms of benchmarks, which explains its premium price point. Thus, your remark on getting something cheaper but perform better is something to scoff at given the same parameters (noise level, warranty, quality, airflow, idle/load temps, and static pressure).

Second of all, your remark on our guru's on this forum is a bit disrespectful. you didn't give a set price. You mentioned "cheaper", which is vague. If your price range is capped around $40 or lower, then go with the true spirit 90. It's pretty solid. Asking for a recommendation/suggestion is more of almost like asking a favor for someone - thus, you don't have to be rude.

Third of all, asking for a second opinion means you're open minded to such a product. Meaning, if someone gives you a suggestion/recommendation, do research on that product. If you have doubts, do research on that product. research, research, research. When you have enough data/information, take notes and give us back feedback. That's what forums are for, not for dissing people, but sharing information. We all want to learn, not argue ffs

https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/5629/4/39-cpu-coolers-review-what-is-the-best-choice-graphs-cooling-socket-1155

there u go.
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post #14 of 26
True Spirit 90M is not $20, but 33.90 €, which is $37.84.
A quick Amazon of DE prices is not your 20-30 €, but 24.99 - 43.89 € with Hyper 103 being the lowest. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
True Spirit 90M 33.90 €
SST-AR08 43.83 €
Hyper 103 24.99 €
Alpenföhn Ben Nevis 27.20 €
Pure Rock Slim 35.41 €
Contac 21 25.16 €
NH-|U9S 59.10 €
NH-U9L 53.95 €

Sure, at full speed (12V) True Spirit 90M is 49dB @ 40.1c; but at low speed (7V) it is 33dB @ 44.1c There are very few times 4c warmer temps will make any difference, but 49dB is 3 times louder to our ears than 33dB is. wink.gif Most of us don't mind 30-35dB. 39-41dB is generally a loud or just a little too loud for most users. A nice quiet room is about 30dB

C S Hyper 103 is 66% / 64% vs
True Spirit 90M is 64% / 65%
That is 2% better / 1% worse on paper
Too close to see a difference in every day use.

Noctua make good products and they have one of the best at customer service there is. But their products are no better than many other top contenders like Cryorig, Thermalright, Phanteks, Scythe, be quiet!, Silverstonetek, and others. Cooler Master, Thermaltake and similar are not in the same league.
Noctua, like many others gives out thousands of coolers free to reviewers .. and as long as reviews are favorable they will give reviewers more samples. If reviewer gives unfavorable reviews they get no more samples. from that company..

Most reviewers only monitor room ambient, not cooler intake. Even bench testing the cooler intake will usually be a degree or two warmer than room in general (because of heat generated around bench that does not reach room thermometer). If testing in a case the cooler intake is 5-20c warmer than room when system is working hard .. and changes depending on what cooler is being tested and what speed the cooler fan is running. Testing in a case is not comparing coolers on their own merit, but comparing how the testers' system performs with different coolers .. and unless your system is identical to testers your results we be different.

At the end of the day t makes no difference to me if you listen to my advice or not .. and I suspect ciarlatano feels the same way. Most we talk to find our information useful.
Edited by doyll - 9/4/16 at 9:58pm
post #15 of 26
I don't know why I didn't think of it, but the Macho 90 is also a good short cooler.
post #16 of 26
it's okay





pretty good noise profile, as input goes. however, i wonder why it's not available in the u.s.?
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it's okay
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



pretty good noise profile, as input goes. however, i wonder why it's not available in the u.s.?
.
It is available in US at Nan's Gaming Gear, which is the only Thermalright dealer in US. Costs $34.95 + shipping.

http://www.nansgaminggear.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MACHO-90
Amazon for $59.95 and free shipping. tongue.gif
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Cooler-Processor-Macho-90/dp/B00REGXMP8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473155038&sr=8-1&keywords=macho+90
Please keep in mind these are 'reviews' not accurate testing of how the coolers actually perform against each other.
What is the air temperature accuracy? is it +/-1c, +/-2c, what?
They give very little information about how the air temp is monitored .. only saying "Larger differences in room temperature, there was not during the test course."
What is a 'larger difference;?
How often is it check?
Is it done at same time as CPU temps are taken?
Do they test a known cooler at the beginning and/or end of test sessions to verify it gives same results as it did in another session?

I'm not picking on them, but this is an example of how 'reviews' are different from accepted laboratory testing procedures. At least they are not using a case and claiming 'real world use'. But their results are still at best only a comparison of performance on their system in their environment, and not ours. I keep saying it over and over and over. Without accurate real time monitoring of cooler intake air temp we have no baseline temperature .. no baseline means we have no reference point. How can you claim to have walked a mile if you don't know where you started walking? tongue.gif

Macho 90 performance is similar to NH-U9 series coolers.
Edited by doyll - 9/6/16 at 2:47am
post #18 of 26
i just wanted to get your attention xD
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post #19 of 26
I'm in love with my m9i. I had a CM TX3 but returned it for the M9i. It performs as well as a Cooler Master 212 if that helps. Couldn't find much on the true spirit 90 when I was looking.
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post #20 of 26
What about the noctua NH-C14S? With a height of 115mm, it competes with the NH-D14 with a single fan, beating it with a dual fan setup at 142mm in height (or install a thinner fan on top).

http://noctua.at/en/nh-c14s/specification
    
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