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Don't know if it's been said, i'm not reading pages and pages of crazy. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. Anywho, my point is you do not deserve the DLC for free. What!? First and foremost, you paid for early access of the base game. Upon release, you get the base game. It sucks that resources were split, but then again if you have too many developers on a project that can actually induce more bugs. "I was fixing this" blah blah "it wasn't broken, see it works like this" and you get two different code bases for the same fix. What do you do?

It's really the same as web development on forums. If you have too many people working on certain problems, "fixes" break things which wasn't foreseen because that person didn't work on the main core of that area of code. It just got fixed so the new code they wrote worked, which borks a crap ton of other code. So then somebody has to babysit or go through the entire project to find out why and spend an entire weekend fixing a portion of code that literally could have been avoided in the first place pushing back development time.

I'm sure somebody here has seen that happen, honestly I'd be shocked if that hasn't happened. (spent 4 days fixing a forum because of poor coding and people thinking they knew what they were doing, yes 4 days)

So they had one team work on an expansion with the known code base, another team working on fixing the main code base. Then you have to have a build pushed, finalized, and then re-work the expansion to work with that current build. Ugh, it's a freaking mess, on top of a mess, on top of a constantly changing code base.

Essentially, you pay extra for all that extra work. Go figure, and you wouldn't have gotten that DLC on release anyways. Not to mention, pre-release DLC probably has a disclaimer that the DLC itself isn't a finished product and may contain changes in the future.

Lesson? Don't like this, don't spend money on it. That's the way of pre-released products. I bought The Forest, and originally thought "it's good, but if they actually work on it could be amazing". I visited it 6 months later, it got dang good. And I visited it 6 months later again, it's epic. And it's still in alpha, or is it pre-alpha? Not sure, but the game as a survival game is amazing. It's fun, and if they made expansion islands for X money with more fun content I may purchase it. Cause I've seen extreme progress even with only 10% of the story done.

Honestly, this whole fiasco is just dumb. It's also like the "Star Citizen isn't doing anything" ploy. Where they have made leaps and bounds, even with setbacks the game started as a single hanger with crap ships to much much more. The more complex the game, the longer the development time so get over it.
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If you enjoy the game and have been playing it support it by purchasing the DLC otherwise just don't buy it.
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My issue with it can be sum'd up as:

I paid for early access to develop and finish the game/core content released for early access. I did NOT pay for early access to fund them developing paid DLC and NOT finishing development of the early access core game I intended to fund.

As an analogy:

Imagine you go to a restaurant and order a steak and pay for it before its prepared and cooked. They bring out the raw steak and then tell you they plan to season and cook it later but if you like you can pay an additional $x amount for a porkchop (or side dish, couldnt decide the most appropriate 2nd item).

Do you even stay at this restaurant?

I know I wouldn't and its why I did not buy the DLC nor keep playing ARK. They could have used that money from early access to finish the game which is still in dire need of polish not more content. They have relied too heavily on 3rd parties creating mods to make the game work as it should (and in some cases incorporate that into the game, likely for free or much cheaper than it would have cost to develop in house). I mean come on the game is 100+ dinos in and still runs like crap even on high end hardware. I think its safe to say that optimizing the game would have been much easier at 25, 50, 75 dinos. The more content they add the less likely and longer/harder it will be to optimize.

In conclusion, I will no longer pre-order or otherwise pay for alpha/beta access to game. I will now always wait for the hype train to leave the station and wait for independent reviews of the game after release before getting them. As long as we keep throwing money at devs who release garbage and do not deliver on promises they will keep doing it.
post #114 of 146
There shouldn't be paid DLC on an early access game and that's that. Early access games shouldn't have any DLC what so ever until the base game is finished or else it could cause problems, look at Stranded Deep the community wants them to add co-op but to do it they say they have to rewrite the whole game.

Now in the case of ARK I've been playing it from the day it was released and that was a couple of years ago, since than it really hasn't had much in the way of performance fixes (nothing major anyway) they've just be shoving as much crap in as they possibly can into it and hoping for the best (think 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag), the game runs horrible no matter the setup and there's so many bugs and glitches it's not funny, there's always updates but half the time there's no patch notes so you don't know what the hell your actually getting and what it's doing.

One of the most annoying bugs is with the Pteranodon & Argentavis, on one players screen they'll be idle on the ground like they should but on the other players screen they'll be floating off the ground, if your driving a raft and there flying on the drivers screen it means they'll fall off the raft and drown, also makes it hard for the raft driver because it glitches the raft out. As for the game size it's self... right now fully patched its 62.3GB which is almost as big as Deus Ex Mankind Divided fully up to date with all the current DLC (64.3GB).

The idea of the game is good but it still has a long way to go before they should even be thinking about DLC, it's meant to have a final release this December and with the state of it atm I don't see that happening.
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12 pages of outrage while Chris Roberts and CIG continues to laugh its way to the bank.

don't get me wrong. I think this is atrocious. but this is a small scale fraud in comparison to Star Citizen's endless DLC and extras and ships they keep selling without even an alpha released that can be played that will be representative of the MMO they're trying to build.
 
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Wildcard having to pay a settlement to TE might have something to do with the DLC. Reportedly, its 40 mill. Ouch. Losses have to be recouped right?

Technically since Florida is a Right to Work state, the non-compete wasn't actually binding unless he made a game that DIRECTLY competed with TE's product. 'Poaching' employees is perfectly legal here.
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As for the game size it's self... right now fully patched its 62.3GB which is almost as big as Deus Ex Mankind Divided fully up to date with all the current DLC (64.3GB).
Yikes. Shows me how long it's been since I played ARK. I think it was around 17-20GB when I last installed it... wth.gif
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I have hundreds and hundreds of hours within ARK when it was first released for Alpha. I heavily enjoyed the game and loved how much they were actually updating the game when I initially started playing it, but as time went on it seemed like they stopped polishing and fixing issues and every update just seemed like "NEW TAMEABLE DINO RELEASE" and they just kept adding things in. I recently started playing again and noticed so many new things while still running into the same problems and glitches I did when I used to play months ago. I dont agree with releasing DLC for an alpha game that clearly needs polishing and fixing in the general game alone.
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One of the most annoying bugs is with the Pteranodon & Argentavis, on one players screen they'll be idle on the ground like they should but on the other players screen they'll be floating off the ground, if your driving a raft and there flying on the drivers screen it means they'll fall off the raft and drown, also makes it hard for the raft driver because it glitches the raft out. As for the game size it's self... right now fully patched its 62.3GB which is almost as big as Deus Ex Mankind Divided fully up to date with all the current DLC (64.3GB).

Easy fix for your problem is to actually fly the birds instead of taking them on a raft.

Not even sure if this complaint is serious or not lol. Plus early access.......you agreed to the terms and conditions. Sad but true.

As for a big game because of lots of data...................................rolleyes.gif
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I have hundreds and hundreds of hours within ARK when it was first released for Alpha. I heavily enjoyed the game and loved how much they were actually updating the game when I initially started playing it, but as time went on it seemed like they stopped polishing and fixing issues and every update just seemed like "NEW TAMEABLE DINO RELEASE" and they just kept adding things in. I recently started playing again and noticed so many new things while still running into the same problems and glitches I did when I used to play months ago. I dont agree with releasing DLC for an alpha game that clearly needs polishing and fixing in the general game alone.

Welcome to the age of early access junk that is never finished, or regurgitated games like COD and Battlefield.

That's why I don't care about the $100 I put into star citizen, I can count 10 early access games I've bought that have been left to rot by devs and don't have 10% of the scope star citizen has.
Edited by TonyFTW - 10/10/16 at 9:38am
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So it's basically a paid trial version and then you have to pay more for the full version?
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