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yes sir, yes it is.

mother of god...

<--- played me a crapload of Cyberpunk and Shadowrun, waaaaaay back in the day.
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mother of god...

<--- played me a crapload of Cyberpunk and Shadowrun, waaaaaay back in the day.

There are Shadowrun video games too in case you didn't know. Which I need to play.
 
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Yeah I just started playing Witcher 3 last week and I can't help just walking through the forest or a lake and marveling at it. My brain struggles to think how much effort must have gone into it.

It still suffers from what always bothers me in games though...

Decisions are limited and pre-decided for you. And too many 'morally difficult' decisions.

Example
I just did a quest where I find an arsonist who burnt down a smith's workshop. His whole livelhood.
So I feel sorry for the smith.

I found the arsonist. The arsonist said he burnt it down because the smith made weapons for the army that invaded his town.
Ok... can kinda see the arsonist's point.

Arsonist also says please don't kill him because he needs to take care of his mother.
Uhh... frown.gif

Arsonist says he'll give me money if I don't drag him to the smith.

I'm worried if I take the arsonist to the smith, the smith will kill him.

So I have two options. Maybe get the arsonist murdered, or take the money to keep quite.

Both 'morally difficult'.

- I can't choose NOT to take the money and let the matter drop, so he can still use the money to support his mother.
- I can't take the money and give it to the smith, so the smith can rebuild
- I can't go back to the smith and arrange a deal / repayment
- I can't go back to the smith and see if he's gonna murder the arsonist

So I ended up not wanting any more people to get hurt. Took the money, and then Geralt goes back to the smith and lies to him saying the arsonist can't be found.

Sadface frown.gif

Need to invent quantum computing games or something to simulate more real life options heheh smile.gif
Just kill him dude, it's a game.
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I AM EXCITE!
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Use the Alt+Wasd combo instead of rolling.

The reason to use a high difficulty (which doesnt require mods) is immersion and making you use more of the systems of the game. Witcher 3 on Easy or normal is so easy you will never use anything bar the swords.

Of course, a tenacious person will probably still have no issue with the game at one point... kinda like how I dont use pistols or grenades in any STALKER game no matter the difficulty.

Pistols in STALKER games are simply worthless. I have never used them... except when I needed a silenced weapon and didn't have anything other than a pistol, or didn't have anything better to use.

Grenades aren't that good because you end up killing yourself, and since you have to equip them you can't use them when you precisely need to.

STALKER is a "1 gun" game. You get a good assault weapon and forget anything else exists. Plenty of ammo, headshots will kill anything human, and they aren't that heavy.

Bad comparison.
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It is definitely not as hard or as deep as it could have been. I dont think it is consolified, but definitely not what I'd have made if I were a designer on the project.

My problem is more with how they are capable of challenging the player morally and thematically in one instance and miss soo many opportunities in another.

It is consolified. I'm 40 hours into the game now. I like to play with a controller for this types of games because you can lay down on your chair and play a bit more relaxed... but controls are very very bad on console. Jeez you can't even change your sign without having to do weird things, and you have to use the stupid d-pad too many times (playing with Xbox 360 pad). I'm simply using keyboard and mouse because of the quick access items and signs.

So, the only reason combat is so simple is because of lack of buttons on a controller. It is obvious because you can't even do the same things with a pad that you do with a keyboard+mouse. For me opening menus to use this or that sign is a no-no because it destroys the flow of the fights.

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I'm glad someone else here acknowledges the consolification of The Witcher 3's (and The Witcher 2's) gameplay. I expect much the same from Cyberpunk since "accessibility" is one of CDPR's keys to success.

Consolification is something that can't be fixed and is needed. IF TW3 was a "pc-only game" it would have been much shorter in scope and graphics and everything. It is a trade-off. You increase your potential consumers and have to simplify some aspects because the controllers have limited buttons... unless you want to start playing with key-combinations (which I would do If I could) that would complicate controls for many people.

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Indeed. I love the books. The games are alright, but the combat is not my cup of tea. Probably reason I never could understand the hype.

Then again, I don't understand the hype behind Bioshock Infinite.....god was its combat boring as hell and AI dumb as rocks.

Biochock Infinite had **** combat system. And loot system. And inventory system. Yes. But the story and how deep the female character seals the deal. Probably the best female character I remember in a videogame. For me it was all about the story, with the combat being uber **** and mechanics being kinda bad.

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Which is a good thing, since the Witcher 3 apparently didn't have enough developers. If they had, they'd have been able to come up with combat that wasn't something you'd find on a Playstation 1 game. It was enough that I could punish the game like it was on very easy, on very hard. Broke as fizzuck.

Well, TW1 has a horrible uber ****ty combat. I haven't finished the game because I got tired of it, to be honest, although I liked the story a lot. TW3 I can fathom because of being open world and the story being strong. Also, the side quests aren't typical as they normally are on other open worlds... and that is a plus. OVerall very happy with TW3, enjoying it a lot.
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Consolification is something that can't be fixed and is needed. IF TW3 was a "pc-only game" it would have been much shorter in scope and graphics and everything. It is a trade-off. You increase your potential consumers and have to simplify some aspects because the controllers have limited buttons... unless you want to start playing with key-combinations (which I would do If I could) that would complicate controls for many people.

This is an unfortunate assumption many developers and publishers make. I believe they could have reached a much better balance than they did. Somewhat simple gameplay is a must yes, but it doesn't have to be as repetitive as it is for starters.
 
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This is an unfortunate assumption many developers and publishers make. I believe they could have reached a much better balance than they did. Somewhat simple gameplay is a must yes, but it doesn't have to be as repetitive as it is for starters.

I'd love consoles to be denied this game for that reason. While I understand games are a mass market product, there is something lost with console downgrades. And its not merely graphics.
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I'd love consoles to be denied this game for that reason. While I understand games are a mass market product, there is something lost with console downgrades. And its not merely graphics.

Furthermore, chances are the only thing they'd have to sacrifice is animation quality.
 
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I'd love consoles to be denied this game for that reason. While I understand games are a mass market product, there is something lost with console downgrades. And its not merely graphics.

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Furthermore, chances are the only thing they'd have to sacrifice is animation quality.

Things that Consoles can hold back that take a hit overall --

Heavy AI
Draw Distances (overall)
Particle Counts
Area Sizes
Destructible Items
Load Times
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Things that Consoles can hold back that take a hit overall --

Heavy AI
Draw Distances (overall)
Particle Counts
Area Sizes
Destructible Items
Load Times

And more as well, even if not for hardware reasons. Gameplay depth, open ended quest design that might be realistically unforgiving to poor decisions, innovation in general.
 
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Intel Core i7 8700k Delidded @ 5.0 GHz, 4.5 GHz... ASUS Maximus X Hero Z370 Wi-Fi AC Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 Ti AMP Extreme 32GB (4 x 8GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3200 
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Samsung 960 Pro 1TB Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Samsung 850 EVO 250GB EK Phoenix MLC 360mm 
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EK Vardar EVO 120ER x3 (bottom intake) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Acer Predator XB270HU w/ Ideal Lume Standard Bi... Wooting One "Analog" Mechanical Keyboard (Red F... 
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Seasonic PRIME Titanium 650W w/ Ensourced custo... Lian-Li PC-O11WX Logitech G Pro Kingston HyperX Fury Pro XL 
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Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD Yamaha RX-V579 Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE Fluance XL7C 
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Fluance AVBP2 Gustard U12 Chord Mojo Blue Yeti w/ Pop Filter 
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Fanatec CSL Elite Wheel Advanced Pack CODE 87-key Keyboard (Cherry MX Green) w/ Vorte... Ducky Pocket Mechanical Keyboard (Cherry MX Blue) THRUSTMASTER T16000M FCS Flight Stick 
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Furman M-8X2 (x2) AmazonBasics 7-port Powered USB 3.0 Hub Alfa Long-Range Dual-Band AC1200 Wireless USB 3... 
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Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 @ 3.6 GHz XFX nForce 680i LT XFX GeForce 8800 Ultra EVGA e-GeForce 9800GTX+ 
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EVGA e-GeForce 9800GX2 EVGA GeForce GTX 295 dual PCB OCZ Reaper 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 1066 Intel 330 Series 180GB 
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Thermalright Venomous-X Delta AFC1212D-PWM Silverstone AP141 Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 
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LG Flatron IPS235 Ducky Shine DK9087 Shine 2 (Cherry MX Red, gree... EVGA G2 850W Lian-Li PC-7HX 
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Mionix Castor Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty P... 
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