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Dirt cheap Android phones ravage power and have no optimisation, can never be updated in most cases, and have terrible performance for anything besides making phone calls. I'd sooner buy a flip phone than a cheap or even midrange Android again.

I'm in that vast median range you compeletely glossed over. I'm a moderate user who uses a range of apps, makes moderate use of the camera, needs a bit of AV functionality, and holds onto a good phone for a couple of years. The iPhone is the absolute best option for my needs. The SoC's in iPhones remain relevant for longer, I get iOS updates until I upgrade my phone, and the cameras are always quality and suit my needs over that two-year period. Everything is simple, aesthetically pleasing, and when my phone is on standby (70% of my day) the iPhone positively sips power versus the Moto G I had with equivalent settings.

There is a vast difference between low/midrange Android phones and the high-end Android devices. Given that most of the customisation and "power user" functions of Android are lost on me, as a moderate user and mobile non-enthusiast, why wouldn't I choose an iPhone?

My backup $150 Redmi 3pro with 4100 mAh would say otherwise.
http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_3-7862.php

And stop using "similar settings" while comparing Android and iOS, they manage apps differently. Android does true multitasking while iOS does not. If you want to compare, try an app, such as CM speed booster (free, non root), to force unused Android apps to hibernate like on iOS.

I admit that I "glossed over" a lot of criteria, coz my comment just focuses on "basic executions". May you spare $150 and try that Redmi, you would see that it's not that far of the much more expensive iPhone 7.
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Some people are really delusional about iP's batteries. They are more optimized, yes, but just for casual tasks. In demanding tasks, no optimization can cover their low capacity. Not to mention the lower capacity batteries have less charge cycles, and downgrade faster for power users.

And if someone just needs basic executions, there are dirt cheap Android options which do the job just fine. So why do you need an iPhone?

Nobody NEEDS an iPhone.

Smartphones have always been a "nice to have" option for mobile communications. For people that just use a phone for calling and texting, there are much cheaper options. Standard flip phones are an excellent option for these types of users.

However, the market has moved to almost everyone WANTING a smartphone, which is what has given rise to the dirt cheap android phones that currently saturate the market. Of course, at the high-end of the price spectrum, you have premium devices from Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc. that have the most amount of engineering poured into them. At the low-end, you basically have a stock version of android with maybe a light skin, no optimization, and a battery that gets destroyed due to lack of coding for power saving features.

Development on the high-end costs a lot of money, especially with manufacturers like Samsung and Apple who design their own chips and other components. That's why you cannot compared high-end, premium devices from the likes of Samsung and Apple to even mid-tier options from certain Chinese manufacturers.
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My backup $150 Redmi 3pro with 4100 mAh would say otherwise.
http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_3-7862.php

And stop using "similar settings" while comparing Android and iOS, they manage apps differently. Android does true multitasking while iOS does not. If you want to compare, try an app, such as CM speed booster (free, non root), to force unused Android apps to hibernate like on iOS.

I admit that I "glossed over" a lot of criteria, coz my comment just focuses on "basic executions". May you spare $150 and try that Redmi, you would see that it's not that far of the much more expensive iPhone 7.

 

You're making my point though, I don't want to download extraneous apps to do things that should already be happening. I have to use the term "similar settings" because that's how I use the bloody phone. I'm not trying to do 'true multitasking' nor am I trying to set up a network of apps to achieve similar-to-iOS efficiency. I've used enough cheaper Android phones and I'm just not interested in what they have to offer as they don't meet all of my usage criteria. I'd have to spend high-end Android money for equivalent camera quality, standby battery life, long-term SoC speed, and non-gated OS updates. Given that reality, I prefer the iPhone because it's hassle-free, I like the aesthetics, and I wouldn't use most of the customisation that the Android phones would provide.

     
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You're making my point though, I don't want to download extraneous apps to do things that should already be happening. I have to use the term "similar settings" because that's how I use the bloody phone. I'm not trying to do 'true multitasking' nor am I trying to set up a network of apps to achieve similar-to-iOS efficiency. I've used enough cheaper Android phones and I'm just not interested in what they have to offer as they don't meet all of my usage criteria. I'd have to spend high-end Android money for equivalent camera quality, standby battery life, long-term SoC speed, and non-gated OS updates. Given that reality, I prefer the iPhone because it's hassle-free, I like the aesthetics, and I wouldn't use most of the customisation that the Android phones would provide.

Can you speed up my iPad Air. Is so dam slow. Even slower than my hacked HP Touchpad running Android.
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You're making my point though, I don't want to download extraneous apps to do things that should already be happening. I have to use the term "similar settings" because that's how I use the bloody phone. I'm not trying to do 'true multitasking' nor am I trying to set up a network of apps to achieve similar-to-iOS efficiency. I've used enough cheaper Android phones and I'm just not interested in what they have to offer as they don't meet all of my usage criteria. I'd have to spend high-end Android money for equivalent camera quality, standby battery life, long-term SoC speed, and non-gated OS updates. Given that reality, I prefer the iPhone because it's hassle-free, I like the aesthetics, and I wouldn't use most of the customisation that the Android phones would provide.

I have found that even the high-end Android phones cannot match Apple's standby time for their phones. I will admit that if you crank up a game or other intensive task, the iPhone's battery does drain, but the same thing happens on Android phones as well. The difference? Apple's handsets are generally quicker. This is especially apparent on the iPhone 7, where the SoC is literally a year ahead of its competition.

Everyone has different priorities. So far, I like Apple's ecosystem better. Everything is so well optimized and fluid... it's a breath of fresh air compared to Android phones I have used previously.

I never thought I would purchase an iPhone. Now that I have... I wish I had done it sooner.
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Can you speed up my iPad Air. Is so dam slow. Even slower than my hacked HP Touchpad running Android.

 

Can't imagine why, though I've got no experience with iPads personally; I've actually got a tortoise of a cheapo Android tablet that really only sees use as an ebook reader. Air's got the A7, right? That's what's in my 5s and it's still very capable.

     
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You're making my point though, I don't want to download extraneous apps to do things that should already be happening. I have to use the term "similar settings" because that's how I use the bloody phone. I'm not trying to do 'true multitasking' nor am I trying to set up a network of apps to achieve similar-to-iOS efficiency. I've used enough cheaper Android phones and I'm just not interested in what they have to offer as they don't meet all of my usage criteria. I'd have to spend high-end Android money for equivalent camera quality, standby battery life, long-term SoC speed, and non-gated OS updates. Given that reality, I prefer the iPhone because it's hassle-free, I like the aesthetics, and I wouldn't use most of the customisation that the Android phones would provide.
I would agree with you if we are discussing this on another forum though. We are on overclock.net, we don't mind hassle thumb.gif

Anw, I don't like paying a premium for just being hassle-free. I demand that premium to give me something on another level. I don't feel that vibe from iPhone 7 comparing to my back up Redmi. Meanwhile, my main S7 Edge definitely offers the premium vibe from just the first look thumb.gif
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Android does true multitasking while iOS does not. If you want to compare, try an app, such as CM speed booster (free, non root), to force unused Android apps to hibernate like on iOS.
I don't fully understanding how multitasking works on Android -- but if by true multitasking you mean apps just keep running in the background then I don't think that's a good thing. It's a phone, not a desktop.

Also Apple has APIs for "true multitasking", it's just limited to a short period of time managed by the OS.
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I would agree with you if we are discussing this on another forum though. We are on overclock.net, we don't mind hassle thumb.gif

Anw, I don't like paying a premium for just being hassle-free. I demand that premium to give me something on another level. I don't feel that vibe from iPhone 7 comparing to my back up Redmi. Meanwhile, my main S7 Edge definitely offers the premium vibe from just the first look thumb.gif

I agree that the S7 edge definitely looks better than the current crop of iPhones. In fact, that is literally my only complaint on Apple at the moment; their phone enclosures need to be redesigned. However, I have never gotten that snappy, fluid feeling from Android phones that I get from my iPhone 7. The newer phones from Samsung are undoubtedly better, but they still do not match Apple's fluid quickness.

On paper, Samsung's devices are superior. The problem is that if you take away raw specs, the iPhone feels like a more complete experience. That's really what sold me. It's very nice to have a device that looks expensive. However, when you have to use that device day-in and day-out, I want it to be more than just a pretty face. Fortunately, Apple's phones look nice AND perform spectacularly on literally EVERYTHING you throw at them.



EDIT: If you haven't seen the iPhone 7 in matte black, you should go check it out. The fact that they have basically made the antenna bands disappear has done wonders for making the device look better compared to the 6 or 6S.
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I would agree with you if we are discussing this on another forum though. We are on overclock.net, we don't mind hassle thumb.gif

Anw, I don't like paying a premium for just being hassle-free. I demand that premium to give me something on another level. I don't feel that vibe from iPhone 7 comparing to my back up Redmi. Meanwhile, my main S7 Edge definitely offers the premium vibe from just the first look thumb.gif

 

When it comes to PC's, I'm right there with you. With phones/tablets/phablets, I'm no enthusiast.  I don't want to spend loads of time customising and configuring mobile devices. It's just not me. :) 

 

The phone I've got now is the 5s. I didn't mind paying the premium for it because it was premium, and for me it's not just the fact that it was no-hassle. The longevity of iPhones in terms of how well they'll handle OS updates (and the fact that they receive them), continue to run new apps, the lasting camera quality, these are all things that I take into account. The 5s succeeds wonderfully on these points, and the fact that I don't feel a pressing need to upgrade to the point that I'll happily wait until the 7s/8/whatever-they-call-it is to me exactly what I want in a phone. 

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I have found that even the high-end Android phones cannot match Apple's standby time for their phones. I will admit that if you crank up a game or other intensive task, the iPhone's battery does drain, but the same thing happens on Android phones as well. The difference? Apple's handsets are generally quicker. This is especially apparent on the iPhone 7, where the SoC is literally a year ahead of its competition.

Everyone has different priorities. So far, I like Apple's ecosystem better. Everything is so well optimized and fluid... it's a breath of fresh air compared to Android phones I have used previously.

I never thought I would purchase an iPhone. Now that I have... I wish I had done it sooner.

 

Indeed and agreed. And for me, as someone who very rarely games on the phone, the thing just lasts forever. Could a high-end Android last longer? Sure. But I'm not running the phone on battery for three days trouncing around the Brecon Beacons. :D 

     
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