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Some people are really delusional about iP's batteries.

Yeah it's not like I use an iPhone and an Android on a day-to-day basis. Nor do I have experience with hundreds of different iPhones and Androids through my work experience. Nope, just me being delusional and talking out of my ass.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/8


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They are more optimized, yes, but just for casual tasks. In demanding tasks, no optimization can cover their low capacity. Not to mention the lower capacity batteries have less charge cycles, and downgrade faster for power users.

That depends how you define "Power User". I don't play games on my phones, but I'm definitely a power-user. I run my phones into the ground and my iPhone consistently gives me a better experience. I just hate the resolution on iPhones. It's generations behind.
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And if someone just needs basic executions, there are dirt cheap Android options which do the job just fine. So why do you need an iPhone?

You are showing such blatant favoritism it's not even worth pursuing this argument. I'll just state this simply, you don't know what you're talking about.
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You know how much I love you SZ, but I gotta disagree with you here. Well, at least take issue with your premise (though I understand you were responding to a direct claim in your response). The fact is that the iPhone is a very expensive phone priced on an equivalent level to the very best Android phones out there, so comparing an iPhone to "cheap" Android phones is really irrelevant unless you factor that price premium into your calculations. At the end of the day, when comparing comparably priced Android phones with the iPhone (like the Note 7 for example), the battery life is very similar. Granted, Apple does so with a much smaller battery but, again, that is almost entirely due to iOS's advantage in optimization which is possible because iOS is designed by Apple in conjunction with iPhone hardware. Android, of course, has to be flexible enough to work with hundreds (possibly thousands) of different hardware configurations from multiple different manufacturers, so the sort of close-to-the-hardware level of optimization Apple designs for is simply not possible.

At the end of the day Apple is just taking advantage of their position in the market in being able to compete with Google and its panoply of different hardware manufacturers all on its own, and that is an advantage that Apple consumers like yourself can enjoy. Android, on the other hand, has its own advantages; namely that you are have lots of options to choose from when selecting hardware and features, whereas if you go iOS you have only the iPhone.

Agreed. You have to compare price point to price point. In which case phones like One Plus 3, G5, and Huwaei Honor 8 easily give you better bang for buck, but compared to the Note 7 and S7 Edge... That's an entire different discussion. iPhones have strengths that Androids simply can't match.

But from a value proposition? Yeah on paper Androids are easily better, but value is what people use. Not what people can use.
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I don't use Bluetooth, and only turn on GPS when prompted to (PokeGO, map). With my Edge 7, I can last 2 days with calls, emails, calendars, and some web surfing. But normally I spend an hour of PokeGo egg hatching (jogging with music), so I'm usually at 15% at 9pm. Around 1 hour of charging brings it to 9x% or full. I plug out before sleep and only lose 1-2% on the next morning.

I think we just figured out why your battery life is so great. thumb.gif

I constantly leave Bluetooth and GPS on on my iPhone 7, and through normal usage, I have roughly 50% (or more) left on a charge when I go to sleep each night.

I do not doubt that the S7 Edge has better battery life than the iPhone 7. I mean, the battery is almost DOUBLE the size of the iPhone 7. The fact that the iPhone 7 is able to even compete with the S7 or S7 Edge is incredible, especially since the CPU/GPU on the iPhone 7 is much faster.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 10/2/16 at 7:18pm
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You know how much I love you SZ, but I gotta disagree with you here. Well, at least take issue with your premise (though I understand you were responding to a direct claim in your response). The fact is that the iPhone is a very expensive phone priced on an equivalent level to the very best Android phones out there, so comparing an iPhone to "cheap" Android phones is really irrelevant unless you factor that price premium into your calculations. At the end of the day, when comparing comparably priced Android phones with the iPhone (like the Note 7 for example), the battery life is very similar. Granted, Apple does so with a much smaller battery but, again, that is almost entirely due to iOS's advantage in optimization which is possible because iOS is designed by Apple in conjunction with iPhone hardware. Android, of course, has to be flexible enough to work with hundreds (possibly thousands) of different hardware configurations from multiple different manufacturers, so the sort of close-to-the-hardware level of optimization Apple designs for is simply not possible.

At the end of the day Apple is just taking advantage of their position in the market in being able to compete with Google and its panoply of different hardware manufacturers all on its own, and that is an advantage that Apple consumers like yourself can enjoy. Android, on the other hand, has its own advantages; namely that you are have lots of options to choose from when selecting hardware and features, whereas if you go iOS you have only the iPhone.

 

 

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Agreed. You have to compare price point to price point. In which case phones like One Plus 3, G5, and Huwaei Honor 8 easily give you better bang for buck, but compared to the Note 7 and S7 Edge... That's an entire different discussion. iPhones have strengths that Androids simply can't match.

But from a value proposition? Yeah on paper Androids are easily better, but value is what people use. Not what people can use.

 

I get what both of you are saying and you're both absolutely right but I think I'm being taken a bit out of context here. I was never comparing iPhones to low/mid-range Android phones in a vacuum as a means to provide an objective performance comparison. Within the context of the back-and-forth I was having with blue, I said that I don't like Android as an OS for a variety of reasons. To me, the only reason I'd choose an Android over an iPhone would be if I could get what I'd consider to be acceptable (not necessarily equivalent) camera quality, battery life, app experience, and OS optimisation relative to the iPhone for significantly less money than an iPhone. The premise being that as I greatly prefer the innate benefits of iOS it would take a significant price/performance play on the part of an Android device to keep me in the Googleverse; at the same price-point, I'll take the iPhone every day so long as the performance, camera quality, and battery life remain in the high-end tier relative to the Android range. This is where subjective elements come in to play, and unless we're having a benchmark debate then subjective qualities will always be an important part of any consumer electronics discussion.

 

Given that I was responding to a quote along the lines of "why does anybody need an iphone?" I thus felt that it was important to point out the vast gulf in quality between low/mid-range Android and high-end Android. What I personally look for in a phone is lacking up until about the £400 point for Android. So, as you both say, the competitors to the iPhone cost as much as the iPhone. There are some very good price/performance options on the Android side but none that suit me perfectly and none that make a value play compelling enough for me to give up the benefits of iOS and the longevity that Apple's optimisation confers.

 

TL;DR: I don't disagree with either of you in terms of an objective discussion, but the question I responded to was phrased very much as a subjective, personal question and I answered it as such.

     
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You are showing such blatant favoritism it's not even worth pursuing this argument. I'll just state this simply, you don't know what you're talking about.

It's not favoritism. It's just that iP should set them apart from cheap Android solutions. That horrible resolution and outdate design can be found in cheap Android phones, which do the "basic execute" just fine for basic users.

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I think we just figured out why your battery life is so great. thumb.gif

I constantly leave Bluetooth and GPS on on my iPhone 7, and through normal usage, I have roughly 50% (or more) left on a charge when I go to sleep each night.

I do not doubt that the S7 Edge has better battery life than the iPhone 7. I mean, the battery is almost DOUBLE the size of the iPhone 7. The fact that the iPhone 7 is able to even compete with the S7 or S7 Edge is incredible, especially since the CPU/GPU on the iPhone 7 is much faster.

Uhm, S7 Edge has a bigger screen (5.5" same size as iP 7 plus), and almost 4 times more resolution (QHD vs 750p).

But I do agree that A10 is a great SoC. As already shown in A9 and nVidia/AMD GPU, 16nm fab of TSMC is superior to 14nm fab of Samsung in term of clock rate and power efficiency.
Edited by blue1512 - 10/2/16 at 7:52pm
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I think we just figured out why your battery life is so great. thumb.gif

I constantly leave Bluetooth and GPS on on my iPhone 7, and through normal usage, I have roughly 50% (or more) left on a charge when I go to sleep each night.

I do not doubt that the S7 Edge has better battery life than the iPhone 7. I mean, the battery is almost DOUBLE the size of the iPhone 7. The fact that the iPhone 7 is able to even compete with the S7 or S7 Edge is incredible, especially since the CPU/GPU on the iPhone 7 is much faster.

why would you leave bluetooth and gps on indefinitely?
it doesn't make sense to leave something you don't frequently use turned on.
i suggest leaving those things to automatically sleep when inactive, they'll also automatically wake up when used.

faster CPU/GPU doesn't always mean higher power consumption, look at Nvidia's GPU when compared to AMD's.
Edited by epic1337 - 10/2/16 at 7:55pm
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why would you leave bluetooth and gps on indefinitely?
it doesn't make sense to leave something you don't frequently use turned on.

faster CPU/GPU doesn't mean higher power consumption, look at Nvidia's GPU when compared to AMD's.

But that's the cool part about iOS. Even though it's turned on in the toggle drawer, it's turned off when idle. Basically, it's only used when it needs to be, and when it doesn't need to be used, it's turned off automatically so that it doesn't consume battery.

This is why my phone's battery will still be @ 98% after a morning of work (not using the phone), while my Note 4 would be @ 80% battery during the same amount of time.
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But that's the cool part about iOS. Even though it's turned on in the toggle drawer, it's turned off when idle. Basically, it's only used when it needs to be, and when it doesn't need to be used, it's turned off automatically so that it doesn't consume battery.

This is why my phone's battery will still be @ 98% after a morning of work (not using the phone), while my Note 4 would be @ 80% battery during the same amount of time.

theres an android app that can do that, its not really that unique of a feature.
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But that's the cool part about iOS. Even though it's turned on in the toggle drawer, it's turned off when idle. Basically, it's only used when it needs to be, and when it doesn't need to be used, it's turned off automatically so that it doesn't consume battery.

This is why my phone's battery will still be @ 98% after a morning of work (not using the phone), while my Note 4 would be @ 80% battery during the same amount of time.

GPS for me is always ON but only active if the apps is using it. I think its same with iPhone. I think wifi is different for iOS and Android. With 6.0 and 7.0 Android has dramatically improved idle usage of battery. I notice my LG G3 works same as iPhone when I do not use it. The moment I pick it up it powers up and downloads all emails and notifications instead of fetching constantly. One thing to note is that with Android you give apps more promotions than iOS so they can hammer the battery more if not controlled properly. Right now I am really happy with Battery life of Android. My old G3 has good battery life even though I lose 20-30% battery life just because my carrier sucks and constantly tries to find signal. If that was not the case I would end up the da with ~ 30-40% instead of 10-15%.
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theres an android app that can do that, its not really that unique of a feature.

Ok, but you have to get an app to do that. This is baked into iOS. That's one of the advantages of having a closely controlled app environment; customization is sacrificed in the name of efficiency.
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Ok, but you have to get an app to do that. This is baked into iOS.

Yeah I hate that too. I hate downloading apps to add functionality. Apndroid keeps improving though for the good. I have been disappointed by iOS since 7. I mean most of the changes in iOS are App changes which Google does not need to update Android version to have their latest apps. Also as much as people like the Note to me its a bloated phone. Too many features that you do not need. Android was Nexus for me. A phone $300-350 with clean OS and fast updates. Galaxy is iPhone want to be of Android. I like the hardware of Samsung but sometimes people just want simple phones.
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Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.6GHz ASRock Z77E-ITX eVGA GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid AVEXIR Blitz 1.1 16GB DDR3-2400MHz CL10 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB Toshiba X300 5TB Corsair H100i GTX eVGA Hybrid Water Cooler  
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
4x GentleTyphoon AP-15 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit LG OLED55C7P  Razer BlackWidow Chroma  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
eVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 Define Nano S Logitech G502 Proteus Core PECHAM Gaming Mouse Pad XX-Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 DAC Mackie CR Series CR3 Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Sennheiser HD 598 
Audio
Sony XB950BT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.2GHz ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB @ 1200/1500 2x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
OCZ Agility 3 60GB WD Caviar Green 1.5TB 2 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB XSPC Raystorm 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
EK-FC7970 XSPC RS360 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Corsair TX750 
Case
NZXT Switch 810  
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