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actually you can compare the performance in real world scenarios reasonably well using an os that runs on both argitectures like linux for example. Sure compiler performance will make it differ a bit but its a fair enough estimate. I don't think comparing an iphone like that will work as the you can't just throw a linux distro on there but you can compare a raspberry pi with a desktop processor reasonably well if you give it the same workload on the same os.

That being said while it would not surprise me if arm will take over the desktop market at some point the current architectures are really not there yet. ARM is however creeping into chromebooks and chances are that it will slowly creep up in the server and laptop market eventually getting to be the main architecture. Not anytime soon but it may happen.

Remember arm is slowly creeping up into chromebooks and servers so that may eventually reach the point where they will hit the desktop space. Of course not anytime soon and the current designs are just not made to run at the power budget of a desktop processor but given enough time it may eventually get there.

They have their uses, but there is no reason to use ARM when power and cost are a non-factor. They are showing up in Chromebooks because those are meant to be cheapo laptops with limited functionality.
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post #72 of 91
Not surprised that a design by our guy jim is still fast years later

of course people have added to it, but the base design is still the same far as i know.
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So in the future we'll be playing PC games on Apple ARM chips? LOL

Nope, nVidia ARM chips. Starting with the next Nintendo handheld console.

Edit: I believe nVidia has the best ARM SoC. Every year a new Tegra is released it crushes every other SoC in single threaded performance.

So the AMD SOC in the PS4 and Xbox One just became obsolete just because nVidia have managed to release a Tegra chip that will be used in a few consoles only and until now Nintendo used AMD chips.

 

The Tegra line is the most irrelevant line of chips in the mobile space.

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But A10 coil whines.
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post #75 of 91
But can it run crysis?

All jokes aside, I don't see intel sweating anytime soon. They've already had their butts handed to him by intel. Now they're customers of intel.
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This whole discussion is based on the very large assumption that Intel is not on cruise control right now.
    
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So the AMD SOC in the PS4 and Xbox One just became obsolete just because nVidia have managed to release a Tegra chip that will be used in a few consoles only and until now Nintendo used AMD chips.

The Tegra line is the most irrelevant line of chips in the mobile space.

Id have to agree, nobody really gives a rats about Tegra as its only in a handful of devices (mostly Nvidias) and when it comes to power draw the Tegra loses. Qualcomm leads the mobile SoC market if i remember right (not sure if still true), and they make a very good chip thats roughly 70-75% the performance of the X1 with 1/2 the power draw or less. Once Nvidia can cram that power into 3-5 watts then someone might care enough to use tegra

TL;DR Nvidia is irrelevant in mobile and cant hope to compete except in doing "look we made a fast chip outta mobile parts derp"
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Why should it worry Intel first?

Why not AMD?

AMD pawned their mobile GPU to Qualcomm for chump change years ago and qualcomms used it since.

Adreno is a VLIW5 design not crazy different compared to AMDs evergreen back in the day, Obviously power efficiency was more of a concern.
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I don't care what The Verge says, people at these forums are mocking the possibility based on their flawed analysis.

Client Computing Group was 15% down YoY in Q2 and it is by far their largest division. Tried to offset it by raising prices across the board but they can't do it indefinitely, not while the PC market is shrinking a good 15% a year.

If most people don't need PCs anymore or their current ones will last forever is a huge deal for Intel. These forums can claim whatever they want about performance, the whole point is that regular people are moving away from PCs. Intel could launch a 6 or 8 core mainstream CPU at $300 and the market would decrease at exactly the same pace.

Intel, as it is, has zero chances of surviving this transition.

 

Are you confusing new PC Sales with existing home installations of PC's? Which do you think is shrinking? The PC Sales market can shrink by some percentage. Not sure where you get that 15% number from and therefore question it's accuracy.

 

If you are so sure about Intel's demise, you should go all in and Short Intel's stock and be a gambler the likes we've never seen.

 

Also I'd take a grain of salt to any sesational news out there. Just recently Intel released the following 3rd Qtr forecast. 09/16

 

Yahoo Finance - Intel Press Release:
Intel Corporation today announced that third-quarter revenue is expected to be above the company's previous outlook. The company now expects third-quarter revenue to be $15.6 billion, plus or minus $300 million, as compared to the previous range of $14.9 billion, plus or minus $500 million. The increase in revenue is primarily driven by replenishment of PC supply chain inventory. The company is also seeing some signs of improving PC demand. 

 

We see this cyclical process all the time. My point is, pump the brakes on the doom and gloom. If Intel fails it's not likely to be because of an Iphone chip.

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Just to clear some confusion on this thread, iOS is running OS X (aka MacOS) according to Steve Jobs. So Apple could compile their MacOS to ARM instruction set and it would compete with Intel's lower end CPUs. Intel are worried, but not necessarily about Apple's SOC, rather about ARM SOC variants overall.
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