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Originally Posted by Malinkadink View Post

TN still has super low contrast ratios, IPS isn't much better but it can be more than double a TN and that's a big difference already. Then VA of course blows both of them out of the water in contrast.


Super low contrast ratios, what? O_o TN panels, historically, had higher contrast than IPS and both are comparable nowadays. Have you not seen reviews for modern panels?
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Problem is that you could ask 100 pc gamers and I bet 99 of them wouldn't even know what you are talking about. SPVA? full array backlighting? AR treated glass? etc etc. I think a lot of pc gamers in general simply don't know what they want in a monitor and their knowledge is limited to TN = gaming and IPS = image quality...

Yeah, although if you sat those people down in front of a monitor they'd see how much nicer it is. Average TV consumers don't know any better either, they just know "LED" and Plasma and OLED. When marketing such a monitor I think they should include picture comparisons demonstrating the much better blacks and contrast of VA compared to IPS and TN, since PC gamers are afraid of VA like you said. AR treated glass is easy to explain.
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People who want 144hz+ and people who want 1440p+ are usually different people entirely.
144hz is difficult enough to maintain at 1080p.

There is a substantial market segment for 1440p and above and 120 Hz and above. It's a $500 to $1000+ market segment so not your typical person buying a computer monitor, yes.
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Super low contrast ratios, what? O_o TN panels, historically, had higher contrast than IPS and both are comparable nowadays. Have you not seen reviews for modern panels?

LG has ~2000:1 IPS TVs.
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Super low contrast ratios, what? O_o TN panels, historically, had higher contrast than IPS and both are comparable nowadays. Have you not seen reviews for modern panels?

What is your definition of super low contrast ratio then? If you look reviews of the latest TN panels they fall anywhere from 800-1000:1. If that's not super low then what is? Seeing that VA panels are capable of anywhere from 3000-5000:1 on average, Plasmas hitting 10k+:1 and OLED having an infinite ratio I certainly consider a measely 1000:1 to be super low.
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What is your definition of super low contrast ratio then? If you look reviews of the latest TN panels they fall anywhere from 800-1000:1. If that's not super low then what is? Seeing that VA panels are capable of anywhere from 3000-5000:1 on average, Plasmas hitting 10k+:1 and OLED having an infinite ratio I certainly consider a measely 1000:1 to be super low.

Yeah I agree that ~1000:1 is super low. Your numbers are generous too, average yes but not even looking at the best VA (7000:1) or best Plasma (> 20000:1). Even 3000:1 seems kind of low now with this year's TV lineups.
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What is your definition of super low contrast ratio then? If you look reviews of the latest TN panels they fall anywhere from 800-1000:1. If that's not super low then what is? Seeing that VA panels are capable of anywhere from 3000-5000:1 on average, Plasmas hitting 10k+:1 and OLED having an infinite ratio I certainly consider a measely 1000:1 to be super low.

1000:1 has been the standard in computer monitors for quite a while.

Plasma is dead, and I haven't seen a "Calibrated" plasma display for comparison. Not that they ever existed in the monitor display space. OLED computer monitors don't really exist, and I'm happy that you enjoy the staggering contrast ratio of your calibrated VA panel. tongue.gif I wish they made more enticing ones meant for the desktop space.

P.S. No, I will *never* use a "TV", or anything bigger than 27", as a Desktop Monitor. Nor will I use anything with less than 100 PPI. So most technologies are dead to me. wink.gif
Edited by DVLux - 9/29/16 at 2:02pm
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The new samsung gaming monitor, cfg70 (the 24" and 27" ones) will have an ULMB mode btw. , samsung calls it impulsive scanning. How well it performs with the new VA panel remains to be seen however.

And as far as i know, they never specified the pixel response time for the cfg70, all they stated was that it has a mprt of 1ms, considering it has a strobing backlight mode, is no surprise. People seem to confuse mprt with pixel response time. (motion picture response time is basically the time the displayed picture lags behind, because of lcd display sample and hold nature, for example a 60hz monitor will hold an image for 16ms before the next refresh, which is obviously not fluent , you can eliminate this by using a strobing backlight, the picture will be displayed for a short time when the frame is new)
Edited by aliquis - 9/29/16 at 2:28pm
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The new samsung gaming monitor, cfg70 (the 24" and 27" ones) will have an ULMB mode btw. , samsung calls it impulsive scanning. How well performs with the new VA panel remains to be seen however.

Good to know! Too bad they're 1080p. I doubt they even beat the Eizo Foris FG2421 outside of response time.
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1000:1 has been the standard in computer monitors for quite a while.

Plasma is dead, and I haven't seen a "Calibrated" plasma display for comparison. Not that they ever existed in the monitor display space. OLED computer monitors don't really exist, and I'm happy that you enjoy the staggering contrast ratio of your calibrated VA panel. tongue.gif I wish they made more enticing ones meant for the desktop space.

P.S. No, I will *never* use a "TV", or anything bigger than 27", as a Desktop Monitor. Nor will I use anything with less than 100 PPI. So most technologies are dead to me. wink.gif

When did I ever say I own a VA panel? I use a Dell S2417DG and Asus MG24UQ and neither are VA but saying 1000:1 contrast ratio is good just seems silly in comparison to displays that have actual good contrast. Just because it is the standard doesn't mean it's good.
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When did I ever say I own a VA panel? I use a Dell S2417DG and Asus MG24UQ and neither are VA but saying 1000:1 contrast ratio is good just seems silly in comparison to displays that have actual good contrast. Just because it is the standard doesn't mean it's good.

"Actual Good" contrast ratio? One from a dead technology, one that only gets used in smartphones, and the other is...lagging behind in the desktop space.

Besides, it's a *Ratio*. It doesn't tell us anything about how you will perceive black upon calibration. Not to mention every other colour. So I would think it's a pretty moot point. X_X Buying any kind of panel because of "contrast ratio".
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"Actual Good" contrast ratio? One from a dead technology, one that only gets used in smartphones, and the other is...lagging behind in the desktop space.

Besides, it's a *Ratio*. It doesn't tell us anything about how you will perceive black upon calibration. Not to mention every other colour. So I would think it's a pretty moot point. X_X Buying any kind of panel because of "contrast ratio".





Samsung KS8000 VA panel vs LG's UF9500 IPS panel. Nothing can fix IPS's disgusting glow.

And actually contrast ratio does matter. If you ever watch movies at night,enjoy your grey black colors.
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