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Quick questions; Is this something for me?

I primarily use my PC for gaming and current have an X99 GTX 1080 SLI setup, running a 5930k. My primary storage is a Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb hooked up using a SATA 6 cable.

I was wondering if there would be any advantage to getting for my old X99 ASUS Deluxe motherboard? Am I going to see an increase in loading speeds on games? I would probably splurge and get the 2Gb stick.
I'm not transferring large files or anything like that.

Thanks for the input!
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Samsung 960 Pro 512GB in Austria costs 342€ rolleyes.gif
    
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Quick questions; Is this something for me?

I primarily use my PC for gaming and current have an X99 GTX 1080 SLI setup, running a 5930k. My primary storage is a Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb hooked up using a SATA 6 cable.

I was wondering if there would be any advantage to getting for my old X99 ASUS Deluxe motherboard? Am I going to see an increase in loading speeds on games? I would probably splurge and get the 2Gb stick.
I'm not transferring large files or anything like that.

Thanks for the input!


For the most part no. But since you already have an 850 Evo 1TB i would imagine that you could see "some" benefit from getting the 256GB 960 EVO which is very reasonably priced.

Basically you would put your OS and your favorite games and files you transfer a lot on the 960 EVO and then put your more mass storage and games etc.. on your 850 EVO SATA drive.

You would still see some fair benefit, it's just that you tend to get diminishing returns with increased transfer speeds. For example, going from a ~100mb/second hard drive to a ~600mb/second 850 EVO solid state drive: and say that it takes 5 minutes to transfer a large game file on the hard drive.

This means that on the 600mb/s 850 EVO SSD you would be taking the 100mb/s of the hard drive and doubling it to 200mb/s (which would take the 5 minutes down to 2.5 minutes) then doubling it again to 400mb/s (taking the time down from 2.5 minutes to 1.25 minutes) then giving another 50% boost to 600mb/s (only takes .9375 minutes, let's just round it to 1 minute)

Thus in total the 850 EVO gives you an time decrease for the file transfer of roughly 4 minutes by doubling transfer speed 2.5 times over. But if you did the same thing again, and said that the 960 EVO gave you a sustained transfer rate of 1,500mb/second (which is still 2.5x doubling over the 850 EVO's speed just like the 850 EVO was 2.5x over the hard drive) but instead of gaining 4 minutes from that 2.5x faster speed you only get a time improvement of ~0.6 seconds

This is because the "starting speed" of the SSD is already a lower number, therefore cutting it in half with a "doubling of speed" actually results in a lower and lower "improvment" in terms of numbers; see what i mean? Cutting 8 seconds in half to 4 and then in half to 2 is an improvement of 6 seconds and is 4x lower; but cutting 2 seconds to be 4x lower only gets you 0.5 seconds which is only an improvement of 1.5 seconds because the number you started at was lower to begin with. a.k.a. diminishing returns
Edited by DarkIdeals - 10/9/16 at 2:45pm
 
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+Rep DarkIdeals

Thank you for the detailed post.

So am I correct in assuming the main benefit to this M.2 stick would be for transferring files? I was hoping for faster boot times and hopefully blazing fast load times for the games that go on it. Maybe I am wrong?
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Samsung 960 Pro 512GB in Austria costs 342€ rolleyes.gif

EDIT: wow, nvm. Thought you said 960 "EVO" was that price, the 960 pro for only
342€ is actually quite good considering exchange rate would put it at close to 400€
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+Rep DarkIdeals

Thank you for the detailed post.

So am I correct in assuming the main benefit to this M.2 stick would be for transferring files? I was hoping for faster boot times and hopefully blazing fast load times for the games that go on it. Maybe I am wrong?


The largest benefit is for large file transfers, sustained file transfers, and for high queue depth work (high queue depth means that the drive is doing multiple things at once basically. So if you tend to transfer a bunch of separate files at the same time instead of transferring one and then waiting till it finishes to start a 2nd and 3rd etc.. then you'd see some benefit)

That doesn't mean that you still wouldn't see a fairly substantial general speed increase. It's just that due to those diminishing returns you shouldn't expect the upgrade to this NVMe 960 pro to be as big as you saw going from a hard drive to your 850 EVO, for example. Using my earlier example, if the hard drive takes 25 seconds to load a real intensive open world game, and the 850 EVO gives 600mb/s instead of 100mb/s (6x faster), giving you game load times of ~4.2 Seconds (that means that moving to a SATA SSD improved your load times by 20.3 seconds which is very noticeable!) but then you take the 4.7 seconds your 850 EVO gives, and compare it to the 960 PRO, you see that you're getting ~3500mb/s speeds which would be roughly 5.8x - 6x faster than the ~550-600mb/s the 850 EVO gets.

So overall if your transfer speeds were 25 seconds on a hard drive and ~4.2 seconds on the 850 EVO, then in the best case scenario you would see roughly ~0.8 seconds load time on the 960 PRO. That's technically still a six times faster load time, but it's harder to notice the difference between slightly under 1 second and 4 seconds; although if you play a lot of games it could add up quite a bit.

Basically it boils down to whether you think it's worth it to buy this to get your load times from ~4-5 seconds to around 1-2 seconds at most. And of course you'd also get much faster transfer speeds like mentioned, and your windows OS load times when starting the PC would improve similarly (if it takes 10 seconds on the 850 EVO SATA SSD you could see as low as ~2-3 seconds on te 960 EVO/PRO)
Edited by DarkIdeals - 10/9/16 at 3:03pm
 
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I have a gut feeling they will be available for purchase on Newegg by the end of next week.
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I have a gut feeling they will be available for purchase on Newegg by the end of next week.

I hope your gut is a magical one... this SSD drive is the last thing I need for my new build. I really hope it beats the release of BF1 (if not I will be quite sad).
post #118 of 553
Ha! Same here. Holding up a lot in my build because my M.2 slot will be covered by the graphics cards. Don't want to put them in place and start putting together my loop until I can install the M.2 drive. Hurry up Samsung!
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Ha! Same here. Holding up a lot in my build because my M.2 slot will be covered by the graphics cards. Don't want to put them in place and start putting together my loop until I can install the M.2 drive. Hurry up Samsung!
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My new laptops orderd and will be getting a 960 Pro 512Gb in. Laptop ETA is end Oct/early Nov and dont want to wait for the SSD. Hope your guts right biggrin.gif
   
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