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I wouldn't thank them. 2 year contracts are much lighter on your wallet than financing believe me. Leger's move against 2 year contracts was genius because it demonized the other carriers, as well as eliminating the need to subsidize expensive smartphones, thus improving T-Mobile's checkbook.

200$ iPhone 7 ona 2 year is way better than 27.09 every month.

Wrong, when buying the phone for $200 under a 2 year contract you're paying more for each line. I'm on verizon and just pay off the phones monthly so its $15 per line + $80 for unlim talk/text and 10gb of data for 4 lines + $27.08 per month on each phone so in total its $248.32 per month off contract. Once phones are paid off its $140 each month.

With a 2 year contact its $40 per line + $80 for service + $200 for each device. So we're looking at $160 for 4 lines + $80 for service which makes it $240 per month. In 2 years time paying the phones off you'd have paid $5959.68. With contract you would pay $5760, but wait you still need to add $800 because you bought each phone for $200 which means you actually paid $6560. So you just overpaid $600 by going with a 2 year contract, and on top of it you had to pay more upfront too since you bought each phone @ $200 a pop. To make matters even worse because you are on a contract you cannot pay off a device early and upgrade earlier while the financing option being off contract gives you that flexibility.

Also i'm not sure about this but after the contract expires i think you're still paying $240 per month while those who financed the devices and paid them off are now only paying $140 per month, so you'll continue to overpay.

Ah and one more thing i forgot, with financing the activation fee is only $20 per phone so its $80 for 4 phones, with contract they hit you with a $40 activation fee so $160 which means the total is actually $6640 with the two year contract when all is said and done. Now this is only for verizon, i'm not familiar with other carriers, but i'd bet they operate the same.

More or less. Activation is free with AT&T (or was for me) as long as it's an existing line, but $15/line/mo is dead on.

$100 for 15GB in my case though, so $80 should have been bumped up too. I think Verizon matched them. Bug your store and see if they got new plans. The "Next" plan you can change at any time, I have to assume Edge is the same.
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Wrong, when buying the phone for $200 under a 2 year contract you're paying more for each line. I'm on verizon and just pay off the phones monthly so its $15 per line + $80 for unlim talk/text and 10gb of data for 4 lines + $27.08 per month on each phone so in total its $248.32 per month off contract. Once phones are paid off its $140 each month.

They brainwashed you.
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With a 2 year contact its $40 per line + $80 for service + $200 for each device. So we're looking at $160 for 4 lines + $80 for service which makes it $240 per month. In 2 years time paying the phones off you'd have paid $5959.68. With contract you would pay $5760, but wait you still need to add $800 because you bought each phone for $200 which means you actually paid $6560. So you just overpaid $600 by going with a 2 year contract, and on top of it you had to pay more upfront too since you bought each phone @ $200 a pop. To make matters even worse because you are on a contract you cannot pay off a device early and upgrade earlier while the financing option being off contract gives you that flexibility.

That's because they intentionally raised the price from 15$ line access to 40$ line access after they introduced Verizon Edge. They're not doing you any favors. Before Installment Billing(this is the term used in the industry), you contracts were signed and your rate was kept the same. There was still funny business but for the most part nothing was changed.

Before T-Mobile demonized 2 year contracts, depending on what phone you chose you were locked in at a certain rate for 2 years. This whole debacle with "Line Access" is a very recent development that was introduced solely to position Installment Billing in a more favorable light vs 2 year contracts.
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Also i'm not sure about this but after the contract expires i think you're still paying $240 per month while those who financed the devices and paid them off are now only paying $140 per month, so you'll continue to overpay.

Ah and one more thing i forgot, with financing the activation fee is only $20 per phone so its $80 for 4 phones, with contract they hit you with a $40 activation fee so $160 which means the total is actually $6640 with the two year contract when all is said and done. Now this is only for verizon, i'm not familiar with other carriers, but i'd bet they operate the same.

I sold lines for all 4 major carriers. They're ******* you over. The only reason Installment Billing and Leasing was introduced is because it's good for their books. a 2-year agreement is not profitable for them.

It was $40/line loooooooong before Next and Edge and I have billing statements to prove it. $25/line was only for no data, and now for low data. The one and only reason my family went with Next was because it was mathematically sound to do so.

Even if they did do so recently, it doesn't matter what they used to do, it matters what they do now. He proved you wrong mathematically. It really doesn't matter if you were a T1 call center if you can't disprove his math.
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Mine hasn't hissed yet, Neither has my other half's. Maybe it's because I play games on PC.
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It was $40/line loooooooong before Next and Edge and I have billing statements to prove it. $25/line was only for no data, and now for low data. The one and only reason my family went with Next was because it was mathematically sound to do so.

Prove it then. Phone financing debuted in Spring 2013.
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Even if they did do so recently, it doesn't matter what they used to do, it matters what they do now. He proved you wrong mathematically. It really doesn't matter if you were a T1 call center if you can't disprove his math.

Uhh, no it does matter what they did in the past. Them screwing you over today is kind of the whole point. For example, customers who are on Sprint's Everything More Plan 119.99 Can still have 4 lines Unlimited Data/Everything for 180$(Legacy Plan). With two year contracts your phones will cost

249.99$x4(Four 2 year contracts for 4 iPhones) plus 180$x24 vs 180$x24 plus 4x27.09$x24(Financing for 24 months on 4 iPhones).

Easy math, 2 year contracts come out ahead. Btw, this particular plan came out sometimes in 2012. Before the whole financing BS.

Similar on ATT. Unlimited used to be a 20$ Feature, and you paid no premiums on "line access" bull**** for upgrading on a 2 year. I know this because I worked at Best Buy during that time... selling mobile phones. In addition to that I worked at both T-Mobile and Sprint stores. So I know how this game was played.

Btw, Mobile carriers have posted soaring revenues in the last few years, almost at the exact same time that financing was launched. This is amid their moans about the costs of deploying new data and towers and power-hungry users...

Edit: Worked at a T1 call center rofl. I worked as a sales rep, manager, and interned in their analytical work. Why you all gotta be so snarky just because I'm pointing out things you don't know about?
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Uhh, no it does matter what they did in the past.

By all means, pay the 2012 rates, see if they keep your line active.
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By all means, pay the 2012 rates, see if they keep your line active.

What is this even supposed to mean?
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Why does no one know of "coil-whine"?
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Why does no one know of "coil-whine"?

Certain GPU enthusiasts who have experienced it, and been annoyed by it would know. Not every one who owns a phone should know about coil whine, not sure why you are even surprised by this.
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Yeah, I can't imagine ANY of my friends or co-workers having EVER heard of coil whine to be honest. Only hardcore PC enthusiasts (like the members here on OCN etc) or electronics professionals would likely have ever heard of this fairly niche issue I would imagine...
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I've had coil whine on my 7970 and my 970, though the 970 coil whine went away after a few weeks. The 7970 on the other hand never went away, till it died of squealing like a pig too much.
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I've had coil whine on my 7970 and my 970, though the 970 coil whine went away after a few weeks. The 7970 on the other hand never went away, till it died of squealing like a pig too much.

I'm trying to get rid of my 1070 because it screams like a baby unless I cap frames at 30. Or I turn off shaders in certain games.
At least with video cards some manufacturers are aware of it and using different chokes. My brother's Asus 1070 doesn't have coil whine and they advertise quiet chokes.


My HTC 10 had a buzzing when it was launched. Not sure how but HTC fixed it with a firmware update. It must not have been coil whine.
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