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fair enough. but it doesn't seem "budget enough" to me. it still has side-buttons, for one.
maybe it won't have RGB and will have a cheaper sensor. but would that really bring it down to a "budget price"?

for example the G100s was true budget from the ground up. no side-buttons, no lights, budget sensor, cheap shell, cheap texture - everything about it was cheap.
but if they have taken the G Pro and just removed the RBG lighting and put a cheap sensor in it, well i doubt it would be sold at $30 or something.


but i get your point. personally i am fine with anything from the A2020 and up. i'd rather have a good coating / finish than some super sensor myself.

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Well 82€ for a mouse is a bit too much don't you think?

well i guess that's not really how i look at it. i'd say it depends on what the mouse is about.
but no, i would not pay 82 euros for the G Pro, for me it certainly isn't worth that much. i would definitely take it for 30, maybe 40.
Edited by Bucake - 10/4/16 at 3:41pm
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Check out the price for the G302 and compare with the price for the G303 (on for example the Amazon site for your country, as the prices on the Logitech website are ridiculous). That might be an example of how it will compare to the normal Pro.
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well i guess that's not really how i look at it. i'd say it depends on what the mouse is about.
but no, i would not pay 82 euros for the G Pro, for me it certainly isn't worth that much. i would definitely take it for 30, maybe 40.
Exactly, i'd take it even for 50 even 60 in some cases, but the simplest mouse on the market at 82€ is a frigging joke
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Exactly, i'd take it even for 50 even 60 in some cases, but the simplest mouse on the market at 82€ is a frigging joke

Someone called a price gouger?
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Exactly, i'd take it even for 50 even 60 in some cases, but the simplest mouse on the market at 82€ is a frigging joke

Its definitely not the simplest mouse on the market. The click mechanism itself makes it more complex than 90% of the mice on the market. Small and not a lot of buttons != simple in any way shape or form. The only mice I'd say are more advanced are probably logitech's wireless mice. Pretty much everything else has simpler construction. If you want extremely simple mice that are much simpler than the g pro and similar price look to zowie and FM.

Edit: Well there are also gimmicky things that are complicated like the rival 700 I guess.
Edited by chr1spe - 10/4/16 at 5:19pm
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Exactly, i'd take it even for 50 even 60 in some cases, but the simplest mouse on the market at 82€ is a frigging joke

The price is of course ridiculous, but the mouse isn't "the simplest mouse" when you look at its insides. It kind of looks over-engineered to me. It's just a small shape and that small size maybe fools you into thinking it's a more simple mouse than for example a Deathadder while it's really more complicated to manufacture?
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Its definitely not the simplest mouse on the market. The click mechanism itself makes it more complex than 90% of the mice on the market. Small and not a lot of buttons != simple in any way shape or form. The only mice I'd say are more advanced are probably logitech's wireless mice. Pretty much everything else has simpler construction. If you want extremely simple mice that are much simpler than the g pro and similar price look to zowie and FM.
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The price is of course ridiculous, but the mouse isn't "the simplest mouse" when you look at its insides. It kind of looks over-engineered to me. It's just a small shape and that small size maybe fools you into thinking it's a more simple mouse than for example a Deathadder while it's really more complicated to manufacture?

I'm not referring to every kind of mouse, i'm talking about gaming mice ofc. Despite having a most complex click mechanism , compared to the others, the rest of the mouse is pretty much as hard to manufacture as most of the gaming mice on the market, and since it has no stupid gimmicks, the cost goes even more down, so doesn't matter how complex clicks are, i still expect an MSRP of maximum 60€. Can you realize how much more of it could've Logitech sold by pricing it at that?

Edit: Also i don't know if the same click mechanism is also used on the G403, because, when i tried it, it didn't feel anything special so, if that was to be right, the click mechanism would be an excuse
Edited by oxidized - 10/4/16 at 5:25pm
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I'm not referring to every kind of mouse, i'm talking about gaming mice ofc. Despite having a most complex click mechanism , compared to the others, the rest of the mouse is pretty much as hard to manufacture as most of the gaming mice on the market, and since it has no stupid gimmicks, the cost goes even more down, so doesn't matter how complex clicks are, i still expect an MSRP of maximum 60€. Can you realize how much more of it could've Logitech sold by pricing it at that?

Edit: Also i don't know if the same click mechanism is also used on the G403, because, when i tried it, it didn't feel anything special so, if that was to be right, the click mechanism would be an excuse

The rest of the construction still looks fairly complicated compared to the average mouse. Also complex doesn't necessarily mean good like I said in my edit the Rival 700 is pretty complicated, but also terrible. I haven't actually used either the G Pro or G403, but the G303 has far better clicks than any other mice I've used and has the same system. Anyway you can't say it is simpler than something like zowies which have the buttons as part of the top shell and are just simpler all around even if you for whatever think they are better are around the same price in the US anyway. The EU vs NA pricing is a bit weird though. People were getting them cheaper than a zowie has ever gone on sale for while preordering due to sale codes though while zowies never go on sale.
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The rest of the construction still looks fairly complicated compared to the average mouse. Also complex doesn't necessarily mean good like I said in my edit the Rival 700 is pretty complicated, but also terrible. I haven't actually used either the G Pro or G403, but the G303 has far better clicks than any other mice I've used and has the same system. Anyway you can't say it is simpler than something like zowies which have the buttons as part of the top shell and are just simpler all around even if you for whatever think they are better are around the same price in the US anyway. The EU vs NA pricing is a bit weird though. People were getting them cheaper than a zowie has ever gone on sale for while preordering due to sale codes though while zowies never go on sale.

Im currently using a Zowie EC2-A and i can confirm the building quality is not even close to logitech's, but still the price is too high and there's no excuse for it to be that high. Oh and zowie is a joke, i honestly don't think there's anyone who can compete with logitech in terms of mice especially atm, so well they're taking advantage of their being leader of the market and pricing stuff high, since they have no real competition whatsoever. Anyway even the G403 is priced a little too much too, but it's 10 € less and pretty sure it has the same build quality as G pro, except faulty ones which both came well equipped with.
Edited by oxidized - 10/4/16 at 5:50pm
post #150 of 1377
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I'm not referring to every kind of mouse, i'm talking about gaming mice ofc. Despite having a most complex click mechanism , compared to the others, the rest of the mouse is pretty much as hard to manufacture as most of the gaming mice on the market, and since it has no stupid gimmicks, the cost goes even more down, so doesn't matter how complex clicks are, i still expect an MSRP of maximum 60€. Can you realize how much more of it could've Logitech sold by pricing it at that?

Edit: Also i don't know if the same click mechanism is also used on the G403, because, when i tried it, it didn't feel anything special so, if that was to be right, the click mechanism would be an excuse

When you look at the insides, there's for some reason a hundred screws used in there, and there's a lot of tiny plastic parts. A person has to put all those parts together, insert all those screws and tighten them. It feels like it's all too much work and shouldn't be needed. Like you say, the end result doesn't actually feel much different compared to a normal mouse, so all that stuff that's done on the inside is kind of a waste. That's what I meant with "over-engineered". In any case, all of that stuff you can find on the inside of this mouse is missing completely in a normal mouse so the normal mouse should be able to beat it in price always.

Good news is that the price will probably drop a lot, same as it did for G502 and G302 and G303 and G402 etc. The €60 you ask for will surely happen (outside of the Logitech shop). Small mice are also not popular, I think, so that should give the price some extra pressure. You can get the G303 for €50 or so right now, and the Pro will maybe end up at a similar price in half a year? Then again... the shape of the G303 was crazy so its price might be lower than it could have been because of that mistake.
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