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I'll consider linux when i don't need to use terminal every 15 minutes to do a basic function.


That isn't true what basic function requires terminal?

Most people use computers exclusively for browsing the internet,and playing basic games.Most linux distros do this perfectly.If they don't,they weren't made to.Clicking a desktop icon is not hard.

There is also a ton of free software that provides the functions of whatever else you might want to do with a computer.

The issue with linux is you will have a hard time running programs made for windows,or your particular favorite software like popular games.

There is a ton of linux equivalent software with the same functionality as windows software and it's all just as easy to use.

Open office for instance.Hardware monitoring,benchmarking,photo and video editing etc.

Also updates and installing software is all done with an easy gui interface.
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Can I dig up the W10 privacy threads and quote every person who denied that this situation would get progressively worse over time?

Slippery slopes, folks. Anticipating what avenues this new big data industry will take is not paranoia. Recognizing consequences to the industrialization of private data is not a conspiracy theory, either. Privacy was once acknowledged to be an essential liberty. The loss of privacy is a consequence in and of itself. Whether or not there's a conspiracy behind it all is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

There's no need for a conspiracy theory. If little grey men are conspiring to take away privacy by taking advantage of our complacent nature in an increasingly networked world, it changes nothing. Well, I mean, maybe that would change a few things.. but my point is that no one needs even speculate as to whether or not there's a conspiracy at play. It just seems necessary to clarify this, since people tend to equate privacy topics to conspiracy theories.

There's no need to ask if it happened by mistake or if it was a conspiracy. There's no need to ask if the privacy loss is happening. The question of why things are unfolding this way is inherently unanswerable and the question of whether or not it's happening has been answered a thousand times over. Privacy loss quite simply is happening.

At this point we're seeing it wherever we care to look. It's not about who's doing it, why, or even how. You can skip all of that and just get to the part about why privacy matters, which is a topic that has been worked on extensively by many of history's greatest philosophers. Most nations recognize it as a fundamental right, and the reasons for this are incredibly relevant for anyone who wants to ignorantly and loudly diminish it's importance.

It's also not about your own personal privacy. Privacy isn't for the protection of criminals, and it's not about saving you the embarrassment of having your browsing history exposed. Here's an analogy: your personal right to a fair trial might not matter to you as an individual who doesn't get taken to court very often, either. This doesn't mean you want to live in a nation where the right to a fair trial is fundamentally rendered void. In the same breath; having the right isn't what matters. It was generally assumed that people would have the common sense to exercise such rights as the right to a fair trial or the right to privacy. That's a failure people; people can learn there's a symbolic value without understanding actual value, and this leads one to think that having a right is equal to exercising a right. It isn't.

Privacy can't be allowed to be completely compromised. Legality of privacy infringement is moot to the topic -- you garnish the same consequences whether your privacy is circumvented legally or illegally.

Yes, people give privacy up freely. This does not mean you can shrug it off as "their own fault." I see people using that escapist argument quite often too. It's well-known that the majority of the population doesn't know, doesn't care, and doesn't know why to care about privacy. Who's to blame is irrelevant -- the dangers remain the same regardless of how you compartmentalize it.

Great post. Glad there are like-minded people out there.

Spread the word. If people seem oblivious to what's really at stake her with these creeping transgressions into our privacy, there is a duty to keep reminding these people until they realise.
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Creating a right to privacy is largely to avoid those consequences. A nation without privacy is a nation in trouble. A household without privacy is a household in trouble. You don't want people spying on your kids, you don't want Google and Youtube feeding them garbage advertisements because it was able to determine their age, sex, and favorite junk food.

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Yeah I think there are more insidious examples of why this should be a major concern to everybody on this forum right now. Let's use politics as an example as it is very topical right now and may help illustrate why it should terrify you. In the nightmare, Orwellian future where MS is collecting data on every user of Windows platforms, think what power that gives them - they have all this data on your personality, habits and even your political biases. This is the kind of data, especially the last type, that the powers that be or the state will always desire to obtain. As such, it is incredibly valuable. What's stopping a government (and they have already done this before) surreptitiously approaching MS to obtain this data they hold on users, but on a mass scale? The excuse being 'terrorism'. With this data now in the hands of the state, your political leanings are exposed. They'll have a checklist of everyone in the country that doesn't agree with their politics. This means they can target you and shut you down. Extrapolate that further and it means true democracy is impinged. Freedome destroyed. Keep following this idea and you end up with the state that wields total power over its citizens. A police state but without the majority even realising it is one.

The state trying to control its citizens by covert means is not fantasy, it's happening right now. The mainstream US media all sings from the same hymn sheet. They toe the party line. Wars in Iraq were to protect the people and those back home they say. Nothing to do with the Petrodollar or control of Iraqi oil that was siphoned off to select American and UK companies. Open your eyes people.
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Great post. Glad there are like-minded people out there.

Spread the word. If people seem oblivious to what's really at stake her with these creeping transgressions into our privacy, there is a duty to keep reminding these people until they realise.
Yeah I think there are more insidious examples of why this should be a major concern to everybody on this forum right now. Let's use politics as an example as it is very topical right now and may help illustrate why it should terrify you.

Thanks. I try not to make it into an active protest, though. People don't like reading stuff like that, which is why you'll find you get a toxic response if you mention how it effects our democratic process when campaign funding reaches budgets into the hundreds of millions, and billion-dollar corporations freely use their influence to support their candidate with their own services at no cost.

People go right to the conspiracy theory accusation band wagon, at that point. That, or you end up with people reporting you for talking "politics."

I prefer to just keep things in terms people understand and don't quite yet fully grasp the horror of. It makes for a better experience, overall. And writing about it always leads to new insights about how the industry actually works. Data garnished from the consented submission of privacy has become a bastardized form of currency in just the last 10 years or so.
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If I could give Mookster 1 million REP's I would.

I already knew that this data-collection malarky would only get worse with time.
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If you guys go back to the threads in which the spying in Win Spy was laid bare Mookster, tpi and I predicted this and now it's come true. Actually what is most likely is that this has been happening for a long time but that's it's finally revealed. Next will be revealed M$py need to record every key stroke, every video and image you view in order to bring you 'better search results' courtesy of the 2 billion USD NSA data centre in Utah.

 

And then again I don't believe that they will implement it. They will have been doing it (doing it now I believe) and will just announce it, knowing there will be people jumping up and down with joy at the knowledge they live in a society that goes far beyond anything Orwell could have predicted.

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I wonder what kind of search results terrorists will receive? biggrin.gif

It depends what the FBI, NSA, CIA and all other spy agencies use.

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All I want to know is why MS is always the target here. As far as I'm aware they are just the newest kid on the block - this is an issue with every single major company and has been for quite some time. Search engines, phone's, other OS's as well, yet Windows 10 seems to be the target 99.9% of the time only because it's trendy and was blatantly obvious about it.

Sorry guys, hate to break it to you all but those of us wise enough to see this avalanche happening years ago (and were told to get our tin foil hats) are not surprised and gave up at this point. I treat all of my personal devices with a network connection as completely recorded and watched devices, and if you want to even remotely remain having a sense of privacy, disconnect. That is all. The plethora of average joe idiots has already made this happen - this will not go away and it will only get worse from here on out.

Your average citizen will remain too busy posting pictures to facebook, instagram, twitter, whatever the crap app of the day is in their generic materialistic life and will continue to be completely ignorant of the fact that everything online is essentially watched over / combed through eventually if there is even a shred of interest in you. They will be spoon fed news about terrorism this, terrorism that as more and more privacy and freedoms are removed from daily lives. I need only look at the UK's camera situation as assurance of the footsteps the US will eventually follow.

Windows 10 is the least of the concerns for all those that claim to care so much for privacy. Use an alternative or stick to an older version of Windows. But please realize, those are far from secure or private either, regardless of what you believe.
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All I want to know is why MS is always the target here. As far as I'm aware they are just the newest kid on the block - this is an issue with every single major company and has been for quite some time. Search engines, phone's, other OS's as well, yet Windows 10 seems to be the target 99.9% of the time only because it's trendy and was blatantly obvious about it.

Sorry guys, hate to break it to you all but those of us wise enough to see this avalanche happening years ago (and were told to get our tin foil hats) are not surprised and gave up at this point. I treat all of my personal devices with a network connection as completely recorded and watched devices, and if you want to even remotely remain having a sense of privacy, disconnect. That is all. The plethora of average joe idiots has already made this happen - this will not go away and it will only get worse from here on out.

Your average citizen will remain too busy posting pictures to facebook, instagram, twitter, whatever the crap app of the day is in their generic materialistic life and will continue to be completely ignorant of the fact that everything online is essentially watched over / combed through eventually if there is even a shred of interest in you. They will be spoon fed news about terrorism this, terrorism that as more and more privacy and freedoms are removed from daily lives. I need only look at the UK's camera situation as assurance of the footsteps the US will eventually follow.

Windows 10 is the least of the concerns for all those that claim to care so much for privacy. Use an alternative. And please realize, those are far from secure or private either, regardless of what you believe.

I hate any and every company that is part of Echelon, Prism and their far more secretive and nefarious projects equally.

 

If there was an alternative to Windows I would switch last year but there isn't. Linux is not as friendly as people make it out.

 

I tried installing Kodi and Emby in Linux. What a nightmare compared with Windows.

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I hate any and every company that is part of Echelon, Prism and their far more secretive and nefarious projects equally.

If there was an alternative to Windows I would switch last year but there isn't. Linux is not as friendly as people make it out.

I tried installing Kodi and Emby in Linux. What a nightmare compared with Windows.

I've been going back and forth with linux over a decade as my daily driver outside of games, yet there is always to this day something that is so simply done in windows that is a complete pain in linux. I tinker with it all the time and though I do not claim to be a software engineer I am far more advanced than your average computer user yet I get frustrated with it all the time to the point of giving up. No one wants to have to do tons of extra steps to have a computer that can do more than web browse and text documents - 50% of the time. Linux has a long way to go and needs to be uniform before it will ever even remotely stand a chance.

Every windows release I hear the same crap "That's it, I'm done with Windows I'm going to linux!!!!". Three months later they are on the newest version of Windows. Rinse and repeat with every release.

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The lesson here is to be cautious online regardless of platform. Ignorance is bliss to many, and for those that seem to believe all of this spying was implemented now with Windows 10 well I've got news for you, it's been around since the net existed - it just wasn't as easily done nor "acceptable" to the masses back then. I can't even fathom the amount of data that is combed through.
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I'll consider linux when i don't need to use terminal every 15 minutes to do a basic function.

How long has it been since you used linux? Or have you ever. I use Gentoo, which is a more terminal based distro and I only use the terminal because I want to, not because I have to. And what's so bad about using a terminal?
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Yeah, it's still pretty horrible.

I often hear people telling others to move to Linux whenever that person says they think privacy is important. What a joke.

Linux sucks for day to day usage.

Linux doesn't suck, commercial support for linux is what sucks.

I am exclusively using linux, don't even have windows installed.
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