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Thanks. I try not to make it into an active protest, though. People don't like reading stuff like that, which is why you'll find you get a toxic response if you mention how it effects our democratic process when campaign funding reaches budgets into the hundreds of millions, and billion-dollar corporations freely use their influence to support their candidate with their own services at no cost.

People go right to the conspiracy theory accusation band wagon, at that point. That, or you end up with people reporting you for talking "politics."

I prefer to just keep things in terms people understand and don't quite yet fully grasp the horror of. It makes for a better experience, overall. And writing about it always leads to new insights about how the industry actually works. Data garnished from the consented submission of privacy has become a bastardized form of currency in just the last 10 years or so.

Yep that is the right way to go about it. As soon as people think you're preaching they switch off and think what you're saying is a load of codswallop. Sometimes I have to remind myself where I'm posting. I'm here because of my love for computer hardware not politics! But it can be hard to pull your punches sometimes in terms of what is inside your head smile.gif

In any case I will be getting a copy of what ENTERPRISE posted that he uses, this ShutUp10 application. Wasn't aware of that until today so thanks thumb.gif:
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I think we're at a tipping point where "tech-users" will decline or stall over privacy issues.

There are a TON of quality of life improvements software and computer hardware allow...

But for some reason, it been, lately, getting riddled with "telemetry," "diagnostics," "user experience improvement," etc. type logging that just makes it totally insecure or a privacy invasion.

These "features" can easily be used to do harm to people (frame them, spy on them, track them, extort them, etc.) Maybe not so much in the USA, but 2nd and 3rd rate governments do.

Why does an ISP NEED to log every site you go to an save the data for a period of time?

Why do curb-side license plate reader NEED to save the data on unwanted cars?

Why do your cable and Sat boxes need to report your viewing habits back to your provider?

Why CAN'T you opt out of these features?

I'm not a criminal, but I still don't use the iPhone fingerprint reader simply because a court order can open it with my fingerprint. Yet a password from my head is protected by a Constitution amendment and my own mental agency.

I wouldn't mind what MS is proposing if there were REAL safe guards against the data... safe guards that go beyond courts, governments, other companies, etc....

But the only real guard is no to implement them in the first place.

The 3rd party doctrine, frankly, is the legal issue at hand that needs to be written out of the law. Shouldn't we have absolute privacy beyond places other than our own minds?
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All I want to know is why MS is always the target here. As far as I'm aware they are just the newest kid on the block - this is an issue with every single major company and has been for quite some time. Search engines, phone's, other OS's as well, yet Windows 10 seems to be the target 99.9% of the time only because it's trendy and was blatantly obvious about it.

Sorry guys, hate to break it to you all but those of us wise enough to see this avalanche happening years ago (and were told to get our tin foil hats) are not surprised and gave up at this point. I treat all of my personal devices with a network connection as completely recorded and watched devices, and if you want to even remotely remain having a sense of privacy, disconnect. That is all. The plethora of average joe idiots has already made this happen - this will not go away and it will only get worse from here on out.

Your average citizen will remain too busy posting pictures to facebook, instagram, twitter, whatever the crap app of the day is in their generic materialistic life and will continue to be completely ignorant of the fact that everything online is essentially watched over / combed through eventually if there is even a shred of interest in you. They will be spoon fed news about terrorism this, terrorism that as more and more privacy and freedoms are removed from daily lives. I need only look at the UK's camera situation as assurance of the footsteps the US will eventually follow.

Windows 10 is the least of the concerns for all those that claim to care so much for privacy. Use an alternative or stick to an older version of Windows. But please realize, those are far from secure or private either, regardless of what you believe.

MS is always the target here lately because #1 - This is (as far as we know) a recent shift in business models for them, going from a mainly software company to a data mining company a la Google. And that shift started with Windows 10, hence the hate directed towards it.
#2 - This is a PC enthusiast forum, hence why the notion of an OS, *ahem*....I mean "Service", taking control away from the user and enforcing mandatory data collection is going to be a huge hot button topic and effect a much larger percentage of the forum members then anything OSX or Android do.


I liked most of your post but the part that upsets me the most is you saying that most of the people who are aware of what is going on and have been for years have giving up. I think that makes them worse than the ignorant sheep that give away their privacy without knowing everyday. They know what's going on and chose to take the easy way out and join the ignorant masses.

I believe the few of us that are tech savvy and know about these things, know what kind of ridiculous things are in the EULAs that no one reads, knows the danger of "The Internet of Things" (I will never, ever, ever, buy a smart TV, much less any other appliance with an online connection),etc., etc. - we have a responsibility to do what we can to for ourselves and our family and to try to educate as many people as can, regardless of the odds. Every year things get worse and people swallow it as "innovation" and "protection", how fast would we slide down the slippery slope if NONE of us ever said a thing?
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MS is always the target here lately because #1 - This is (as far as we know) a recent shift in business models for them, going from a mainly software company to a data mining company a la Google. And that shift started with Windows 10, hence the hate directed towards it.
#2 - This is a PC enthusiast forum, hence why the notion of an OS, *ahem*....I mean "Service", taking control away from the user and enforcing mandatory data collection is going to be a huge hot button topic and effect a much larger percentage of the forum members then anything OSX or Android do.


I liked most of your post but the part that upsets me the most is you saying that most of the people who are aware of what is going on and have been for years have giving up. I think that makes them worse than the ignorant sheep that give away their privacy without knowing everyday. They know what's going on and chose to take the easy way out and join the ignorant masses.

I believe the few of us that are tech savvy and know about these things, know what kind of ridiculous things are in the EULAs that no one reads, knows the danger of "The Internet of Things" (I will never, ever, ever, buy a smart TV, much less any other appliance with an online connection),etc., etc. - we have a responsibility to do what we can to for ourselves and our family and to try to educate as many people as can, regardless of the odds. Every year things get worse and people swallow it as "innovation" and "protection", how fast would we slide down the slippery slope if NONE of us ever said a thing?

I as well refuse to use any 'smart' appliances, my tv's included. However, with an OS and one where the software I use for business is strictly tied to it what option do you have? I can run 3rd party applications and disable as much as I can myself but I know while it may somewhat limit it, it hardly makes a difference overall. Again, so I treat everything as if it was recorded and watched as it's the wisest move at this point. While they are not open about it happening, I can guarantee many linux OS'es do the same as well as OSX, etc. Having a phone these days is like a walking life recorder asides from a flip phone and even those can be tracked easily.

It's not that I've given up, it's that I've realized there is ultimately not much that can be done when the majority of users (joe public) are none the wiser and simply truly do not care about it if it means they can keep their conveniences. Even if every single savvy tech person out there went and made a homebrew secure OS (nothing is truly secure) at most it would 0.5% of the world population.
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Mint has a package manager, why would you have to use 5000 commands to install software, when you only have to click on it.

Most of the time if you want the latest version of some software you have to use the terminal since they do not provide packages and Ubuntu/Mint repositories are ancient for a lot of programs.

That said it is usually just 3 lines, not 5000. One if the developer included some "&&".

I do like Linux and use it as my main OS but I keep a Win7 partition to play sometimes.
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The reason why Windows is the dominant OS is because it's so easy to install and run things. Linux very often has no installer so users are forced to use the terminal to install programs, which is totally unnecessary but Linux creators refuse to change. Thus people refuse to use Linux.

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I as well refuse to use any 'smart' appliances, my tv's included. However, with an OS and one where the software I use for business is strictly tied to it what option do you have? I can run 3rd party applications and disable as much as I can myself but I know while it may somewhat limit it, it hardly makes a difference overall. Again, so I treat everything as if it was recorded and watched as it's the wisest move at this point. While they are not open about it happening, I can guarantee many linux OS'es do the same as well as OSX, etc. Having a phone these days is like a walking life recorder asides from a flip phone and even those can be tracked easily.

It's not that I've given up, it's that I've realized there is ultimately not much that can be done when the majority of users (joe public) are none the wiser and simply truly do not care about it if it means they can keep their conveniences. Even if every single savvy tech person out there went and made a homebrew secure OS (nothing is truly secure) at most it would 0.5% of the world population.
Dont think so, its open source so i doubt nobody will notice the code for that if it really exists... rolleyes.gif
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The reason why Windows is the dominant OS is because it's so easy to install and run things. Linux very often has no installer so users are forced to use the terminal to install programs, which is totally unnecessary but Linux creators refuse to change. Thus people refuse to use Linux.
I use linux since ~2006 and i doubt you need the terminal that often. In case of avarge Joe probably never... The only time i have to use it is when im dealing with a game server, i need to run something as root, or i have to fiddle with something that has only serial console output biggrin.gif .
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Welp better start watching those adult videos and other innappropraite things on mah PC pronto! Just let it run 24/7! biggrin.gif

Hey MS! Want a show? ;D
     
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I use linux since ~2006 and i doubt you need the terminal that often. In case of avarge Joe probably never... The only time i have to use it is when im dealing with a game server, i need to run something as root, or i have to fiddle with something that has only serial console output biggrin.gif .

True I had installed and currently using Zorin-OS the simplest Linux version you could use.

Love it to bits, way faster than Windows 10, especially having over 120 Firefox windows open at the same time, which normally totally karks/freezes Windows 10 but in Zorin, it's smooth and easy.

I'm no Linux pro, but an avid Windows User for years but now I am loving Linux far more mostly because on the desktop it flies in every task you give it. Will definitely be using Linux from now on and no more worries about Redmond Central and their Trojan 10 Software.

True freedom is easy it's all about whether you really want it or not.
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I was reading through this the other day and downloaded shutup10. Had to restart twice as the telemetry 3/3 was forced back on after the first restart. Ultimately, this won't stop data mining and profiling at the highest tier, but it should slow it down at the lower commercial tiers like ad agencies. Kind of moot anyways since cell phones and tablets are the larger threat with most likely lesser access to anti spy tools like windows has so in the end ad agencies still get our data.
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