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I agree, the analogy is not accurate. I don't think they owe anybody an explanation about data caps at all as they are well within their rights to do whatever they want. That said, it will likely become harder and harder to try to maintain caps going forward as data use continues to soar worldwide. People want unfettered internet and eventually the ISP's will realize that attempting to maintain caps is going to become an untenable position and they will start losing customers as a result...

While I'm not a huge fan of federal intervention, in this situation its absolutely warranted. I do not trust ISPs to take the high road, as many of them are struggling to keep data caps in place. Guys like Joseph Young are going to milk the current situation until they're stopped by force.
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post #142 of 155
Lol.
If it was like that then if you only ate 1 you should still have one left over no mater how long its been. Not take off you at the end of each month.
Then there is also the plans that you buy all you can eat Oreos, Yet at some point they tell you that you cant have any more and only feed you crumbs.
post #143 of 155
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While I'm not a huge fan of federal intervention, in this situation its absolutely warranted. I do not trust ISPs to take the high road, as many of them are struggling to keep data caps in place. Guys like Joseph Young are going to milk the current situation until they're stopped by force.

The government should absolutely NOT be doing anything about data caps, what are you talking about? These companies are under no obligation to provide unlimited internet to its customers. On what grounds would the government take action?
post #144 of 155
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The Federal government should have a say seeing as the networks were built using tax dollars, and if these companies don't like it they can return the BILLIONS that were given to them.

Aside from audits, I'm convinced it will take threats of outright asset seizure to persuade ISPs to change their policies.
post #145 of 155
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While I'm not a huge fan of federal intervention, in this situation its absolutely warranted. I do not trust ISPs to take the high road, as many of them are struggling to keep data caps in place. Guys like Joseph Young are going to milk the current situation until they're stopped by force.

The government should absolutely NOT be doing anything about data caps, what are you talking about? These companies are under no obligation to provide unlimited internet to its customers. On what grounds would the government take action?

On the grounds that it is basically a monopoly..

ISPs are known to divide up territory in the same manner that drug cartels do. It doesn't take a PhD to figure out how bad that is for the end consumer.
post #146 of 155
That has nothing to do with data caps. And too many people confuse tax breaks with the government giving away money. That money wasn't theirs to start with. Sick of people thinking all revenue belongs to the government and when they let you actually keep some of what you earned, they say the government "gave" it to you. rolleyes.gif

And a lot of these same people have no problem with government wasting money on subsidies for industries they support (stupid solar and wind subsidies come to mind).
post #147 of 155
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That has nothing to do with data caps. And too many people confuse tax breaks with the government giving away money. That money wasn't theirs to start with. Sick of people thinking all revenue belongs to the government and when they let you actually keep some of what you earned, they say the government "gave" it to you. rolleyes.gif

And a lot of these same people have no problem with government wasting money on subsidies for industries they support (stupid solar and wind subsidies come to mind).

If you want to start an ISP the big ISP in your area will lower rates until you go out of business, then raise them again. It is very hard for a new business to start when there are a few very large business who have divided up the country regionally, especially when there is no regulation preventing uncompetitive or monopolistic behavior. There is a good reason for anti-monopoly laws and the "free market" without them is very bad for consumers.

I don't understand your regular comments about switching providers or them losing business. They can be pretty bad before people will give up internet service, much worse than would be required to have their customers switch to their competitor if they had one. Just because you happen to have competition in your area (do you?) doesn't mean the market is working properly everywhere else.

If AT&T paid a lot less on their taxes than normal citizens did, in order to allow them the funds to build better infrastructure, don't the citizens have a right to expect that infrastructure? Money is fungible so any money not taken from them was effectively taken from everyone else. We paid AT&T's share of the roads, schools, military, etc. so they could build infrastructure.

off topic: I would be fine without solar and wind subsidies if we also dropped all the oil and gas subsidies. Sadly it has been determined that the energy sector is a very important sector for the economy and as such it should be propped up to prop up everything else that depends on it. This has been abused and milked and lobbied for so long so to single out wind and solar is missing where the real money doesn't get taken from.

Letting them keep more of their money with oddly low taxes is giving them money, relative to their competition. If they end up paying a smaller percentage than I do on earned income then, relative to me, the government is giving them an economic advantage. Whether I should pay more to allow an oil platform to make more profit I don't know, but personally I don't think so. I like the idea of a simple tax rate as soon as you make more than a minimum amount, end all the loopholes and breaks that allow the rich to pay a lot less than people who actually work for a living. Income from lending a billion dollars should not be taxed less than income from working 9 to 5, we want people to work just as much as we want them to lend money, don't we?
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I bought a family sized box of oreos tonight.

I bought and paid for the entire box. I will eat the entire box.
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I bought a family sized box of oreos tonight.

I bought and paid for the entire box. I will eat the entire box.
You're not supposed to eat the box!
    
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I agree, the analogy is not accurate. I don't think they owe anybody an explanation about data caps at all as they are well within their rights to do whatever they want. That said, it will likely become harder and harder to try to maintain caps going forward as data use continues to soar worldwide. People want unfettered internet and eventually the ISP's will realize that attempting to maintain caps is going to become an untenable position and they will start losing customers as a result...

As I said earlier, they absolutely have the right to impose data caps, but not the justification. Which means we can fairly criticize them.

Why are you so eager to defend them?
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