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post #61 of 155
I'm really starting to hate how ISP's keep equating a non-physical object (a service) to something that's consumable. Bits and bytes are not some resource. They do not have a physical presence, so it's dumb to be comparing them to something tangible... The only thing that I could imagine that would be "okay" would be to maybe throttle speeds slightly during more peak hours to prevent weird congestion scenarios where one guy can download stuff at max speed but everyone else suffers.
post #62 of 155
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Originally Posted by Cakewalk_S View Post

Since when are oreo's $1.99??? OP's picture... maybe the snack size oreos... IIRC they're like $3.99 or 4.99 here...ugh
Christie products go on sale for as low as 1.89 regular 3
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post #63 of 155
data is like oreos in the same way this guy is smart.

it's not and he's not.
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post #64 of 155
What's concerning is if this guy can bs the FCC this much, how much other shenanigans has gone on behind the scenes regarding this motive and means?
 
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post #65 of 155
except oreos are a finite and non renewable resource.

internet access is renewable. as in if i log in today I use the same wires and infrastructure i did yesterday. If i download 10TB of data yesterday i used the same network and infrastructure when i download 2mb today. They don't need to replace the cables in the network due to overuse.

Their oreo argument is specious.

a more accurate comparison would be with waste management (and not just because they're shoveling ****). the sewer systems require maintenance, the waste treatment centers require power. there is a certain amount of waste the infrastructure can handle at the same time and over time in a day. In theory they may need to upgrade the facilities in response to growing need and usage. as time goes on they may need to rebuild parts of the infrustructure do to age or damage from natural disaster.

Waste treatment is a far more apt example or parallel for an ISP's job.

The problem the ISPs have is this example exposes them for the greedy misers they are, because anyone who examines the nation's internet infrastructure will tell you, the ISPs can easily handle 2 or 3 times the current traffic without any degradation of service.
 
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post #66 of 155
they over subscribed how much their network can handle and they don't want to spend their money given to them to upgrade it. while continuing to oversubscribe with their frail network and they don't want to admit it because all they want to do is sit on it and soak in the cash.

so instead they go off and patronize everyone with their ridiculous analogy that's similar to the famous "internet is a series of tubes!" analogy.
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post #67 of 155
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Originally Posted by azanimefan View Post

except oreos are a finite and non renewable resource.

internet access is renewable. as in if i log in today I use the same wires and infrastructure i did yesterday.

You mean tangible vs. intangible good.

Unless Oreos are made of things we probably shouldn't be eating in any quantity, they are renewable. Flour, sugar, grease, and cocoa are absolutely renewable.
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post #68 of 155
There is no way this argument can hold up. Many of these ISPs dont even offer an "unlimited" package.
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I came in prepared to make a statement......

Then I read the source, and I just can't say anything other than I am glad to have gotten out of the ISP business last year.

The 'Stupid' is now spilling out into public domain at a strong enough rate that it alone should facilitate the needed change. This type of rhetoric isn't new to the ISP industry, or the communications industry as a whole. It has been heavily entrenched into business, and thus politics, for decades. With the single goal of maximizing cash flow for a very small few, at the great expense of the general public.

The really scary truth in all of this? The guys delivering the lines don't believe it, they know it is a damn lie.
    
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To bad we couldnt force these greedy lieing isps to pay us back for data we dont use if they wanna set caps fine but force them to reduce the cost or give roll over data for exacty what we dont use. Make them keep a avg log of bandwith usage every month that is released to the public with thier avg price they pay for the bandwith none of these will ever happen because it would show how badly they are screwing over their users. Funny my isp is a ran by our city non profit and they have no caps has around 60-70k users and we dont really have any slow downs or problems.
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