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Wrong. The Microsoft titles are written out of the box for DX12. They were not ported after or anything. Their engines were designed with that in mind (In fact Turn 10 used Forza 6 to test out native DX 12 implementation, hence why Forza 6 Apex was the testbed for the whole PC crossplay thing to become a reality). Otherwise, they would of never bothered to initiate their crossplay initiative between XBox and Windows 10. Also, Forza only plays well with cards after the 500 series, which means Kepler is the lowest generation you can play these games which has some grasp of DX12 soft support. The beauty of DX12 is that it allows a certain DX11 hardware feature level to still use the core DX12 assets so not everyone is going to be forced to upgrade to DX12 cards from the get go. That is how DX12 was designed, it was built on top of a certain hardware level of DX11 as a baseline.

So before you go spewing out more ignorance, I want to make sure you know how DX12 is made. DX12 is just an evolved DX11 and it is not totally brand new, emulated, or ported into existing games as an afterthought or haphazardly done. Considering you are from Greece, I just feel bad you don't have money to get newer things for cheap there. /shrug

I will give you points that nVidia's implementation of DX12 is inferior to AMD's implementation as the RX 480 in both Vulkan and DX12 performance tests of games and synthetic are better than a 1060 and in most regards the AMD implementation seems to have not seen DX12 performance degrade lower than DX11. This is of course an issue of nVidia's implementation, not because of DX12 itself. It is also worth nothing when DX11 came out, nVidia was also the laggard in terms of implementation with AMD getting to full DX11 support first on top of DX11.1. nVidia was a whole generation behind.

Nope its not about money here from me.tongue.gif

And you just mention only 1 game.

Also i dont like to spend my money on mid range chips like 1070 and 1080.thumb.gif
Edited by hht92 - 9/29/16 at 12:12pm
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Nope its not about money here from me.tongue.gif

And you just mention only 1 game.

Also i dont like to spend my money on mid range chips like 1070 and 1080.thumb.gif

However it dispels your claim that there is NO game right now that is made natively on DX12. I am not here to force you to buy something or whatever. If you are trying to an argument to someone that is deciding on what to do, you have to present the facts correctly. Yes it is only 1 game, but it is a game nevertheless that is out and the gates are starting to open for DX12. You can't deny it. I really don't care what you do, but don't also misconstrue to OP either.

That is all.
    
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Not sure what is wrong in this thread, but I will go ahead and throw in my 2 cents.

I have owned a 1070 since very near launch. Yes, you should upgrade to a 1070 from a 780. You are looking at AT LEAST double the performance, and if you have a monitor that is 1440P+, there will be a major benefit from the extra VRAM. There are a few things that are not mentioned so far, either.

  1. A 780 uses a lot of power and generates a lot of heat. My 1070 FE's are not only quieter than the 780's I had, but they also produce far less heat. This is the advantage of having a smaller GPU core on the 1070 vs 780.
  2. When you DO hit the 3GB VRAM limit (not if) of the 780, the 1070 will take it in stride and continue on. The biggest issue I had with my 780s was with GTA V. As soon at it hit 3GB VRAM usage, the game became a stuttery mess. No such issue exists on my 1070s.
  3. Futureproofing. Pascal has a better DX12 codepath than Kepler or Maxwell, so expect support to last a little bit longer.


Find the cheapest 1070's that you like and buy them. Don't look back. thumb.gif
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Not sure what is wrong in this thread, but I will go ahead and throw in my 2 cents.

You are too kind but you and I as well as many others know exactly what is wrong with this thread and in the end it does a disservice to the OP who deserves better from well informed members and should have been given honest and transparent advice that would have fulfilled his needs based on his stated inquire:

"My hope is to be able to properly max out in game settings for use on the 1440p monitor and as of now the Witcher 3 is my go to for performance goals."

Rather instead we get some minor vocal detractors making wild claims of what a 780 can achieve in Witcher 3 @1440p in high settings completely negating the stated requirements the OP laid out. As a result instead of simply addressing the OP's expectations by way of giving the obvious few options to his question, it turns this into as pissing contest about the GTX780 supposedly performing beyond it's hardware capabilities despite the concrete and established hard facts that prove otherwise.
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Wait for 1080ti and see how it is when they release it. No point buying low cards imo. 1070 is not good for purchasing, because we had this level from before more then a year with 980 ti (modded bios) which even beat 1070 easy.
If 1080 ti is not satisfying then leap to Volta, that is my plan and I think I am right.
Ps. I have 980ti G1.
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Wait for 1080ti and see how it is when they release it. No point buying low cards imo. 1070 is not good for purchasing, because we had this level from before more then a year with 980 ti (modded bios) which even beat 1070 easy.
If 1080 ti is not satisfying then leap to Volta, that is my plan and I think I am right.
Ps. I have 980ti G1.

The op has a 780, not a 980 ti. for you it obviously wouldn't make sense to get a 1070 but the op is in a completely difference position. Secondly, I don't understand why you would recommend a card that will clearly be overkill for his needs (max witcher 3 at 1440p).

I personally bought a 1070 knowing full well that a 1080ti will be announced in the near future. Why? Well because I prefer to buy mid-teir cards more regularly than buy top-teir cards less frequently to try to maximize price/performance.
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OP, do yourself a favor, go ahead and upgrade to a 1070 and don't look back. As many have already stated, the 780 is a dated card, and cannot do what you're asking for in games at 1440p. End of.

The 1080 Ti may or may not even be coming out, no one actually knows. At this point, it's all rumor mill type stuff. You really don't want to be waiting months, if not years (in the case of Volta) for a better card to come out, when the 1070 is already a fantastic card for what you're wanting to do with it. Make the upgrade, enjoy the hell out of your new card, and don't look back.
    
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This is why I was throwing in my 2 cents coming from a 780 Ti SLI and noticing still decent gains in FPS, less heat and lower energy usage after moving to a 1080 FTW. If you don't have any experience with both generations, then don't comment unless you have something useful.
Edited by raidflex - 9/30/16 at 6:47am
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OP, do yourself a favor, go ahead and upgrade to a 1070 and don't look back. As many have already stated, the 780 is a dated card, and cannot do what you're asking for in games at 1440p. End of.

The 1080 Ti may or may not even be coming out, no one actually knows. At this point, it's all rumor mill type stuff. You really don't want to be waiting months, if not years (in the case of Volta) for a better card to come out, when the 1070 is already a fantastic card for what you're wanting to do with it. Make the upgrade, enjoy the hell out of your new card, and don't look back.
I don't understand this hype for hurrying to give money when there's no reason, what games you will play when all are working good for now and new good games are very rarely released. 3 games in 2016 that are ok. Enough said.
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I don't understand this hype for hurrying to give money when there's no reason, what games you will play when all are working good for now and new good games are very rarely released. 3 games in 2016 that are ok. Enough said.

It still seems you are looking at this from the perspective of being a 980ti owner. The OP has a 780, which means he will have skipped an entire generation of cards. How is that hurrying to give money?

I upgraded from a 980 to a 1070 and consider it an excellent upgrade at 1440p.
    
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