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Found a picture of the Quantum Dots.







Tv above is mine biggrin.gif


This Tv Pictured Here is the 65" Wall Mounted. (My Friends)



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Monitor was ordered from Amazon at an alltime low (That I have seen) for 996USD, so I couldn't pass up the deal and ordered it in preparation for the PS4 Pro Arrival and Battlefield 1 in Nov/Oct release dates.

Rtings did a great review on the monitor which, in my research period, proved extremely useful and educational for input lag/response times/clarity of picture, and 2160p Resolution information.

I haven't purchased a TV in over 3.5 years due to wanting the new 2160p Resolution to become more affordable and catch up tech-wise for HDMI inputs/ and or the inclusion of Displayport to TV units (Which DP 1.2 still isn't available rolleyes.gif )

HDMI 2.0 can still push a 2160p at 60hz Resolution and refresh rate and I find that adequate enough to warrant a TV purchase.

Here are the input lag Figures Reported by Rtings.



Using game mode at 2160p and HDR is still only 21.6ms of Input Lag! wheee.gif

Here is the Quote for PC Mode
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Input lag in PC mode is 37.8 ms.
Which still isn't bad thinking.gif

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Connecting the TV seems to use a single link to an input/output Box which is a First (Though I do not have the TV, I cannot elaborate on this subject yet)



I am getting the TV sent via mail instead of picking it up from the local bestbuy store. This is a little nervewracking for myself because I cannot assist the TV during transport. It is scheduled for delivery this week, looks like Thursday or Friday and I really am extremely excited.

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Factory Reset Option for reference.

http://www.samsung.com/au/support/skp/faq/1116455

Have you lost the Icons that say Dynamic, Tv Speaker output, etc?



Unplug the Tv from the Wall for a min or so, then plug back in. Icon should Reappear without have to default tv to factory Settings. thumb.gif

@daddydc650 Sharp Text is a Problem? Here is the answer he found.
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Game Mode for PC Gaming with clear text:

Change the input to Game Console by editing the input and change the label to something other than PC. If your TV decides to change your input back to PC Mode when booting up your PC, disable Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC). Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Limited. This should be default when using Nvidia GPU's. Change Special Viewing Mode under your TV's picture settings to Game Mode. With these settings you'll get the same image as PC Mode/4:4;4 as well as only 20ms input lag instead of 35ms.

Enable HDMI UHD Color on every input. Under Picture Size I have 16:9 and Fit to Screen enabled. Under Expert Settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, Brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50. HDMI black level on auto, Dynamic Contrast @Off (Medium/High if you prefer), Smart LED @High, color tone Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer), Gamma at 0 and Color Space @ Auto.

When gaming with HDR enabled, raise brightness to 20 and choose Dynamic Contrast @ Medium or High. You can also choose off also but I prefer High.

PC Mode with 4:4:4 enabled:

Make sure the HDMI input is labeled PC. This will enable true 4:4:4. Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Limited. This should be default when using Nvidia GPU's.

Make sure HDMI UHD is enabled on every input. Under Picture Mode, choose Standard and then disable every option under ECO Solution. Under expert settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50. HDMI black level on auto and color tone @ Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer).

When gaming with HDR enabled, the backlight should max out automatically.

@daddydc650
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Game Mode for PC Gaming with clear text:


Change the input to Game Console by editing the input and change the label to something other than PC Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Full. Change Special Viewing Mode under your TV's picture settings to Game Mode. With these settings you'll get practically the same image as PC Mode/4:4;4 as well as only 20ms input lag instead of 35ms. If you want colors to be a little more vibrant, adjust Digital Vibrance to your liking. This can be found in the Nvidia Control Panel under Adjust desktop color settings. With AMD GPU's, it should be under Display Color, Saturation.

Enable HDMI UHD Color on every input. Under Picture Size I have 16:9 and Fit to Screen enabled. Under Expert Settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, Brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50, Dynamic Contrast @ Off (Medium/High if you prefer), Smart LED @ High, color tone Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer), Gamma at 0 and Color Space @ Auto.

PC Mode with 4:4:4 enabled:

Make sure the HDMI input is labeled PC. This will enable true 4:4:4. Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Full. This should be default when using Nvidia GPU's.

Make sure HDMI UHD is enabled on every input. Under Picture Mode, choose Standard and then disable every option under ECO Solution. Under expert settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50, Smart LED @ High, HDMI black level @ Normal and color tone @ Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer).

PC Gaming with HDR Enabled:

For optimum results, switch to Game Mode and use the picture settings posted above for Game Mode. You will also need to change Output Color Format to YCbCr420 and Output color depth to 12 bpc. These two settings can usually be found in your graphics card control panel.




What is everyone's thoughts?

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Need to Do a Soft Reset?
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Turn the tv off by holding the power button down for 5 seconds. That will soft reset the tv and close all the apps. It won't reset any settings. I think closing the app also prevents the bug from happening, there is a menu if you keep hitting the back button that will have a close app option.


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I purchased the TV through Amazon but dealt with Electronics Express to get the deal on the TV.

When I first purchased the TV, I used my debit card info (And to my knowledge, Didn't know that I couldn't spend that much with it) So Amazon couldn't process my Payment. This took place Saturday. When I got the email for an alternative to process the payment, I put in my Direct Account info which worked, but was never processed (As in, The TV isn't paid for yet, or rather my bank won't show if the cash was taken out)

So I sent them an email. Fedex has the shipping info, yet hasn't shipped yet thinking.gif

I need this TV to leave the station.

In a response email is states:
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Tracking may take 24-48 hours to updated after the order has shipped.

It's possible I suppose that I am just being paranoid, but would not like the ordered to be postponed more than it is already.


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I've been researching 40+ 4k displays for about 2 weeks now and the KS8000\KS8500 keeps popping up every where as pretty much the best solution right now that doesn't cost $3500+ for a PC monitor. I'd like to get one of the curved 50in ones but I'm worried about the input lag and 60hz coming from my qnix 2710 @120hz. I feel like the picture quality and real estate will counteract any motion issues though from what I'm reading. I'm definitely excited to see what you think of it.
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I've been researching 40+ 4k displays for about 2 weeks now and the KS8000\KS8500 keeps popping up every where as pretty much the best solution right now that doesn't cost $3500+ for a PC monitor. I'd like to get one of the curved 50in ones but I'm worried about the input lag and 60hz coming from my qnix 2710 @120hz. I feel like the picture quality and real estate will counteract any motion issues though from what I'm reading. I'm definitely excited to see what you think of it.

Well thank you so much for saying something in the thread! I was wondering how long I would be alone at this point, though that wouldn't stop me from posting my findings.

I do plan on doccing the unboxing, boot up.... etc.

I too have a 2710 (overclocked to 100hz) and also have purchased a Crossover 324k (2160p at 60hz) and hasn't been an issue going from 100hz to 60hz at all.

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This TV, like almost every other TV is a joke which uses LED PWM Dimming or Flicker which ruins motion clarity and makes some people suffer from health issues like headaches and/or eyestrain:

PWM Comparison by Deepinthesky Teslastorm, on Flickr

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/pulse_width_modulation.htm#side_effects

Motion Interpolation needs to be enabled (not available in the Game & PC Modes) to get rid of the double image ghosting. Only select Korean monitors/TV's, LG and Sony TV's are PWM/Flicker Free.

Samsung double image ghosting which also looks blurred to the eyes (the camera can't capture the blur since the display is rapidly flickering on and off)


Sony X800D without PWM:


LG OLED without PWM:

Edited by MenacingTuba - 9/26/16 at 1:54pm
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This TV, like almost every other TV is a joke which uses LED PWM Dimming or Flicker which ruins motion clarity and makes some people suffer from health issues like headaches and/or eyestrain:
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PWM Comparison by Deepinthesky Teslastorm, on Flickr

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/pulse_width_modulation.htm#side_effects

Motion Interpolation needs to be enabled (not available in the Game & PC Modes) to get rid of the double image ghosting. Only select Korean monitors/TV's, LG and Sony TV's are PWM/Flicker Free.

Samsung double image ghosting which also looks blurred to the eyes (the camera can't capture the blur since the display is rapidly flickering on and off)


Sony X800D without PWM:


LG OLED without PWM:

As I see your points, and understand that your knowledge of TVs/Monitors is far greater than mine, I would still have to say that I have yet to have a problem watching a TV that has PWM flicker or what have you.

A lot of people have asked the question about flicker, or interpolation in the comments, and I really have yet to read an answer that produces a negative thought from myself.

As I have said, The deal on the TV is to far gone for me to crawfish out (Not that I would anyway) and I will give you the feedback (Honest I promise as I have no reason not too) about how the tube feels.

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This TV, like almost every other TV is a joke which uses LED PWM Dimming or Flicker which ruins motion clarity and makes some people suffer from health issues like headaches and/or eyestrain:

That's a lot of interesting information, thank you. What would your recommendation be for a large display to be used as a PC monitor? I've looked into 32\34in 4k monitors but it seems like that wouldn't be enough of an upgrade coming from 27in 1440p @120hz. I'm looking for more of an upgrade than going from 24in 1920x1200 @60hz to my current setup. I was also looking at the curved version of this the UN49KS8500.
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TV has arrived, went and picked it up at the post office. I can't believe I got a TV shipped.... that was a 1st.

Arrived in cardboard box and you can see the actual TV box has a layer of bubble wrap around it. So that was comforting. Was shipped in a box marked as Fragile.

Bought the TV Saturday morning and it arrived before the expected first date (Sept 29th - OCT 4th)

So +++ All around experience so far.

Going to watch survivor tonight so I stashed the tube at my dad's for the moment. Will take pictures and report back as soon as I can.

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