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I dont understand the blacks not being great thing I commonly see with LED displays.
Perhaps I need some specific image to compare or something, but if the TV is set to a full black background it looks to me as if the TV is turned off.
That in my opinion is pretty damn good and couldn't really get better.

I can see and understand the point of a black screen with some white logo and the white bleeds out a bit maybe, but the black itself is basically flawless to me.
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I dont understand the blacks not being great thing I commonly see with LED displays.
Perhaps I need some specific image to compare or something, but if the TV is set to a full black background it looks to me as if the TV is turned off.
That in my opinion is pretty damn good and couldn't really get better.

I can see and understand the point of a black screen with some white logo and the white bleeds out a bit maybe, but the black itself is basically flawless to me.

Well, you seem to have the right idea in mind for testing. Turn off all lights in the room and display a black image and see if the screen looks turned on at all. Maybe turn the screen off then on in this scenario to see the change.

Alternatively you can measure luminance level on a black screen using a colorimeter that can measure screen luminance.
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I dont understand the blacks not being great thing I commonly see with LED displays.
Perhaps I need some specific image to compare or something, but if the TV is set to a full black background it looks to me as if the TV is turned off.
That in my opinion is pretty damn good and couldn't really get better.

I can see and understand the point of a black screen with some white logo and the white bleeds out a bit maybe, but the black itself is basically flawless to me.

When I turn off the PS4 after I am done, the signal is gone, then the TV is completely black, but I feel that it is a transistion before the next signal, not truly a "Black" screen you know?

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Well, you seem to have the right idea in mind for testing. Turn off all lights in the room and display a black image and see if the screen looks turned on at all. Maybe turn the screen off then on in this scenario to see the change.

Alternatively you can measure luminance level on a black screen using a colorimeter that can measure screen luminance.

Some TVs always turn off the backlight when displaying a fully black screen, that's why all the tests have some sort of reticle or logo on them to bypass that.
But not even a Plasma will look turned off in a dark room displaying black, our eyes are just too sensitive. Zero blacks, or go home tongue.gif
Here's two of the later Plasmas next to each other (F8500 and ST60 I believe). The best VA panels nowadays are not that far behind.
https://s13.postimg.org/o123vmudh/h6nm.jpg
Edited by Sedolf - 10/10/16 at 4:05pm
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Some TVs always turn off the backlight when displaying a fully black screen, that's why all the tests have some sort of reticle or logo on them to bypass that.
But not even a Plasma will look turned off in a dark room displaying black, our eyes are just too sensitive. Zero blacks, or go home tongue.gif
Here's two of the later Plasmas next to each other (F8500 and ST60 I believe). The best VA panels nowadays are not that far behind.
https://s13.postimg.org/o123vmudh/h6nm.jpg

I see, that explains a lot. Only OLED would actually look turned off on such a test. I do realize VA is catching up to Plasma black depth, but don't those two Plasma models have around 20000:1 static contrast at least when calibrated? I have very little high end plasma experience.
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I see, that explains a lot. Only OLED would actually look turned off on such a test. I do realize VA is catching up to Plasma black depth, but don't those two Plasma models have around 20000:1 static contrast at least when calibrated? I have very little high end plasma experience.

It's a thing with Plasma contrast ratios - every site seems to get different results. Depending on who reviewed the ST60 it ranges from ~7500:1 (rtings) to >20.000:1.
But the reviews the picture is from measured 11757:1 on the ST60 and 8513:1 on the F8500 Test1 Test2

Well if an LCD has a nice, dense FALD, blacks can get a lot deeper, but except for the Vizio P-Series those kind of TVs play in the same price range as the OLEDs and it can cause issues like blooming and halos.
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When I turn off the PS4 after I am done, the signal is gone, then the TV is completely black, but I feel that it is a transistion before the next signal, not truly a "Black" screen you know?

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Some TVs always turn off the backlight when displaying a fully black screen, that's why all the tests have some sort of reticle or logo on them to bypass that.
But not even a Plasma will look turned off in a dark room displaying black, our eyes are just too sensitive. Zero blacks, or go home tongue.gif
Here's two of the later Plasmas next to each other (F8500 and ST60 I believe). The best VA panels nowadays are not that far behind.
https://s13.postimg.org/o123vmudh/h6nm.jpg

In my case I was referring to a PC extended desktop with a black wallpaper so it is possibly more trustworthy than the source transferring scenario.
I suppose it could be lowering brightness or turning off backlight if it knows the image is 100% black though.

Do you think if I just have a white mouse on the screen it would be a real test or if the background image was 99% black with some white circle I make in MS Paint to test?
Or perhaps it needs to be viewing an image from the web and not the PC's wallpaper?
I am willing to test this out and report back, I can attempt to snap photos too, but doubt it will show the differences through a photo.

Basically I am just really happy with the picture quality and want to make sure others realize it does a good job with blacks and is worth picking up this display if it fits your budget.

*Edit: I did try a custom background image and yes you can then see a bit of light of light bleeding through, but it is still pretty dark.
Looking straight on has much less noticeable light bleed than viewing from a strong angle.
This does seem to show though that a full black background turned off the edge LEDs and makes sense.
Attached is the quick photo I made if anyone wants to try it.*

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@TheCautiousOne how are you liking your display now? We ended up returning the Sony 850d that we had gotten. Considering the KS8000/8500, or an UH8500 as a replacement.

I too had an X850D for a few days. That was till I learned that BB pushes Sony TV's hard. To make an extremely long story short I returned the 850 and happily bought a 1080p LG 9100 OLED.

Once 4k products and more importantly software make their way into our world to justify itself, I'll bite into some 4k

TCO has the best bang for the buck 4k HDR solution. The KS8000 is amazing and the 49" looks better in person than all of the others in that series. Pixel density perhaps?

With all of that said, the 1080p OLED display I have looks better than the X850d.

I think OLED is incredible and hopefully the 4k solutions become more reasonable in price by this time next year.
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In my case I was referring to a PC extended desktop with a black wallpaper so it is possibly more trustworthy than the source transferring scenario.
I suppose it could be lowering brightness or turning off backlight if it knows the image is 100% black though.

Do you think if I just have a white mouse on the screen it would be a real test or if the background image was 99% black with some white circle I make in MS Paint to test?
Or perhaps it needs to be viewing an image from the web and not the PC's wallpaper?
I am willing to test this out and report back, I can attempt to snap photos too, but doubt it will show the differences through a photo.

Basically I am just really happy with the picture quality and want to make sure others realize it does a good job with blacks and is worth picking up this display if it fits your budget.

*Edit: I did try a custom background image and yes you can then see a bit of light of light bleeding through, but it is still pretty dark.
Looking straight on has much less noticeable light bleed than viewing from a strong angle.
This does seem to show though that a full black background turned off the edge LEDs and makes sense.
Attached is the quick photo I made if anyone wants to try it.* Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Excellent follow up and motive. I am awaiting my lady to go to sleep so I can post some shots about the 4:4:4 questions, and 10bit options you asked earlier. thumb.gif

AAAAANNDDDD + Rep devil.gif

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I too had an X850D for a few days. That was till I learned that BB pushes Sony TV's hard. To make an extremely long story short I returned the 850 and happily bought a 1080p LG 9100 OLED.

Once 4k products and more importantly software make their way into our world to justify itself, I'll bite into some 4k

TCO has the best bang for the buck 4k HDR solution. The KS8000 is amazing and the 49" looks better in person than all of the others in that series. Pixel density perhaps?

Perhaps... Rep??

With all of that said, the 1080p OLED display I have looks better than the X850d.

I think OLED is incredible and hopefully the 4k solutions become more reasonable in price by this time next year.

Appreciate the Confidence and reassurance of that statement. thumb.gif
I was very close to snagging the 55" (There was an open box return when I went for 1197 USD I think when I went to first look at the 49". At that point it was the same price as a new 49" TV for an extra 6" of TV but I wasn't going there to buy the tube just yet.

Matter of Fact, IRush warned me of the MUST BUY SONY push at Bestbuy which also led me to writing and doing an extensive test of HDMI Cables after they attempted to try and sell me one for... oh... you know..... 100 USD!!!???!!?!?!

So thank you for that Rush, for Keeping me focused on the Prize (KS8000) and honestly I called BestBuy one morning at work before I was to purchase the TV on amazon for 997 USD and tried to get them to match the price.... Best Buy was selling the Tube for 1197 USD and I tried.... I tried to keep my money local... they Didn't want to honor the price since it was not specifically Amazon, but Electronics Express ( A Sub vendor in affiliation with Amazon) so it ended up saving me over 350$ [No Taxes or Shipping]

G44


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