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Seeking Alpha is back with another AMD article.

The author uses Anandtech's review of Excavator to extrapolate Zen's performance. Specifically, he looks at the Cinebench single-threaded score. He did basically the same thing I did a few threads ago (wonder if he has an account here lol).

http://seekingalpha.com/article/4008322-amd-another-performance-shoe-drops?page=1

he comes up with just under 135 in CB single-threaded based on the 96 the 3.8/4.2Ghz Excavator CPU got. Here's the summary:

Why even bother to make a thread about this guy's click-bait money-grab articles? Its all baseless assumptions padded with rubbish and finished of with a nice controversial title.

All you're doing is giving him even more attention. doh.gif
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This site might as well be a slander site towards AMD at this point.

If you think its bad here, then dont ever go to hardforum lol. They if anyone are certainly an amd slander site.
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why does this website bash AMD so much?
It has got a a lot better than it used to be.
At one point I stopped even coming here for a long time from the out right BS fanboy from this site and the Mods never put there foot down so it was really really bad ..
Again it is 1000 times better than it was .
But to fair as someone who has used AMD for over 15 years AMD have doped the ball one to many times on there end with marketing and taking to long to put a product to be on a even playing field with Intel also at the same time 99% of PC users would never know they are using AMD cpu unless someone showed they was .
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post #14 of 32
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Well AMD are basically to blame for it, and insane fanboyism. AMD tend to over promise products and fail to deliver.

But this is also OCN.net, disliking a company, product or even color is apparently logical for some of the members.

Do you like Apple? False! The only thing to use is anything but Apple! Except for Windows because they are evil! And not Linux either because you gotta be able to play games. Boo on Apple!

Say you need a cheap desktop solution with fair iGPU performance? A10 7850K seems like a good choice, about $150 and can run some modern games eh? Wrong again buster! Intel's $365 processor i7 5775c is the only solution.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

NV has been using skewed, counter-intuitive, twisted benchmarks to generate misleading hype for just as long as AMD. So has Intel, so will every corporation until the end of time.

Apple does suck for more reasons than I can count, Microsoft is turning it's back on consumers after a lifetime of directing it's malevolence solely at competitors, and Linux does lack support to a point where it's almost impossible to enjoy using it.

I'm all for advising consumers to stop incorporating their favorite brands into their personal identity, but most of these things you seem to be calling biases are actually completely true and have nothing to do with fanboyism.

And the hype is not just hype. It's optimism. People want Zen to succeed because they recognize there is a monopoly at play and it's causing extreme stagnation and unnecessary price gouging. They're not necessarily acting as fanboys because they have a bias towards AMD; they could just recognize that the demise of AMD is becoming a real possibility, and that demise would ruin the enthusiast PC market as we know and love it.. because the government really doesn't care about monopolies and will do nothing to stop them from happening. Big corporations are more flexible when it comes to things like backdoors for the NSA, big data sharing as per S.754 - Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act, and the lovely process of having lobbyists buy your attention.

Some of us just don't want a world where AMD couldn't compete with NV / Intel with a 5 billion dollar annual budget, and died because 5 billion in annual revenue wasn't enough to compete with the combined 60 billion in annual revenue of Intel / NV.

That's not faboyism; that's recognizing how things will play out if AMD can't gain ground. Wanting AMD to succeed is not about having a meaningless fan bias. It's about having a bias between the choice of monopoly and dichotomy. And while dichotomy still isn't a great option, it seems a hell of a lot better than an Intel / NV monopoly.
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post #15 of 32
Regardless of what you think of AMD and Zen, this article is all click bait and no substance. Please refrain from giving them click money.
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post #16 of 32
He should have just gone full-on and made the title some cute alternate acronym for AMD. That's obviously what he wanted to do, just wasn't creative enough.
Edited by Pyrotagonist - 9/26/16 at 5:25pm
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I have put together an extrapolated fake review based on the 40% comment from AMD.

This Zen chip fake reviewed is a 4C/8T chip.

The fake performance benchmarks below are a guesstimate based off the latest 845 review using the Excavator cores, since this is what the 40% increase is based off.

Also, this assumes the Zen chip has a base clock of 3.5 and a turbo of 3.8 (had to do it that way to keep IPC results the same compared to the Excavator 4 core chip).

The fake dimms were run at 2133Mhz.

Single core is a straight 40% of the 845.

The remaining multi-core scores are a 40% increase as AMD stated, but since the 845 Excavator chip doesn't have hyperthreading, I added another 20% on top for a total of 60% to get the score. Using Cinebench as an example, the score is: (3.87 * .6 (60%) = 2.316. 3.87 + 2.316 = 6.19 rounded up).

These fake benchmarks are based on the Guru3D review of the 845:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_athlon_x4_845_fm2_review,7.html










Yes I'm bored and starving for Zen news lol. But hopefully you guys will be entertained. Let me know what you think.

Not that I know for sure what's going on here, but it would not surprise me if the OP is the author, or at the very least knows the author, of said "news" article.... The above is a quote from him from another Zen thread. Take that how you will but it seems fishy to me.
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Not that I know for sure what's going on here, but it would not surprise me if the OP is the author, or at the very least knows the author, of said "news" article.... The above is a quote from him from another Zen thread. Take that how you will but it seems fishy to me.

LOL!! yeah bro you caught me, I'm that goober who loves stock prices and hangs on every word to make my money. I'm really a day trader in disguise!! SHHH! I'm shorting AMD this month!!! lol.

You must've missed this part wink.gif
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The author uses Anandtech's review of Excavator to extrapolate Zen's performance. Specifically, he looks at the Cinebench single-threaded score. He did basically the same thing I did a few threads ago (wonder if he has an account here lol).
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I was under the impression that SA is a financial/stock tips site. If someone is persistently writing articles about how Zen will fail, it probably just means someone really wants to short AMD stock.
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This is not news, plain and simple.
    
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