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post #542 of 1623
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Originally Posted by frunction View Post

I think its easy to tell the difference between using a 3310 vs. the others. I am fairly sure I could pick the 3310 out in a blind test just on feel.

Yup, but there are subtle differences between 3310 mice aswell.
Zowie's feel really smoothed out and sluggish/slow.
Steelseries Rival feels rather snappy for a 3310.
Mionix Avior with beta firmware feels really raw and nice.

The DA Chroma feels pretty raw and precise.
3366 feels kinda... A little bit of smoothness, rawness but doesnt feel as precise to me as any DA.

However, if you put the same sensor all in the same shell I still think it would be possible to tell what is what.
post #543 of 1623
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Originally Posted by Hunched View Post

There's also a good number of complaints about tension variance between M1 & M2 buttons on the G403 and G Pro, which is probably because of the separation.

I really doubt it's connected to separation as a design choice. Looks more like variance in springs or switches or mold problem.
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Originally Posted by PhiZaRoaH View Post


I agree when they are done right they feel great(all one). I've never had an issue with the black editions buttons(does have plenty of pre travel), i have read people saying that the all one pieces can be a cause of double clicking as well. To me personally the buttons have always been fine.

I enjoy the DA , Sensei & Rival buttons Just to name a few.

I don't know about double clicking for sure but doesn't seem likely. After all, double clicking appears when the switch itself wears out.
post #544 of 1623
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Originally Posted by Hunched View Post

There's also a good number of complaints about tension variance between M1 & M2 buttons on the G403 and G Pro, which is probably because of the separation.
Well, yes and no. My EC1-A and EC2-A have truly different M1/M2 button tension where the M2 button seems to be either stiffer or lighter than the M1 button (and vice versa). Heck, my Mionix Castor has the same issue as well (M1 seems to be mushy while M2 is tactile). It's surprising how delicate and complicated it can be to sorta mess up the 2 buttons that are the most frequently pressed on a mouse.

The only mice I have that seem to have equal tension in both M1/M2 buttons are my G303 (yep) and my G900 (I claw grip so that gap near the pivot doesn't bother me).
post #545 of 1623
I ordered a G403 last week - however I have literally never had a good experience from Logitech despite people singing their praises. However, this G403 was advertised as being the greatest and I really like the shape (I used a DA for many years before the chroma) - But I've read many people having issues with the G403 since ordering it.

If I take it out of the box and it feels remotely anything like the G502 I had (buttons were literally hair triggers and worst button placement I've seen IMO) then I'm sending it back for the DAE
post #546 of 1623
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Originally Posted by Bdonedge View Post

I ordered a G403 last week - however I have literally never had a good experience from Logitech despite people singing their praises. However, this G403 was advertised as being the greatest and I really like the shape (I used a DA for many years before the chroma) - But I've read many people having issues with the G403 since ordering it.

If I take it out of the box and it feels remotely anything like the G502 I had (buttons were literally hair triggers and worst button placement I've seen IMO) then I'm sending it back for the DAE
Why not just stick with what works best for you? There are NO companies out there that are immune to QC issues. It just so happens that the companies that do sell a lot of mice tend to have the most hit and miss criticisms regarding their products. The QC complaints about Razer products have reached legendary status (yet I'm one of the few who never got a dud of a DeathAdder - yet).

The G403 is nowhere near what a G502 is. Plus, if you're used to the DA shape, you might be disappointed in the G403 - it's smaller and narrower than the DA. Is it a bad mouse? That's highly subjective. You can't really go wrong either way.
post #547 of 1623
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Originally Posted by VESPA5 View Post

Why not just stick with what works best for you? There are NO companies out there that are immune to QC issues. It just so happens that the companies that do sell a lot of mice tend to have the most hit and miss criticisms regarding their products. The QC complaints about Razer products have reached legendary status (yet I'm one of the few who never got a dud of a DeathAdder - yet).

You are lucky indeed. I want to share my experience with Razer's abysmal quality control.

I purchased a DA 2013 a couple years ago on Amazon and instantly loved the shape. There was a problem with the mouse I received though: the right rubber grip was poorly misaligned and was not flush with the right side of the mouse. These side grips already seemed kind of cheap, and knowing they are a high-wear area and subject to peeling, I asked Amazon for an exchange. I went through this exchange process two more times within the span of maybe two months and each one I received had this misaligned rubber on one side or the other. I noticed on some of these DAs there was a difference in sound in the clicks (MB1 vs MB2) (MB4 vs MB5) but I can't recall whether or not they actually felt different. My main issue was with the misaligned rubbers and I was not going to keep a defective DA.

I really liked the mouse so I decided to try my luck at Best Buy after having already returned three of them to Amazon. Maybe Amazon just got a bad batch, right? Open my fourth DA and what do I get? Another DA with a badly misaligned rubber! I gave up on Razer at this point and went with a Logitech mouse for a few months but I had issues with it and decided to give the DA another shot. At this time, the Chroma had been out for a while. I picked up a Chroma (my fifth DA now) from Best Buy and I finally got a defect-free one! Fast forward a year and a half and I'm experiencing double-clicking in MB1.

The RMA process was simple enough but the replacement I received has a rattling MB5 and a top cover that's poorly aligned, resulting in a sharp corner on the top right of the mouse. This is bothersome because I feel this sharp corner when I palm grip the mouse. MB1 and MB2 don't sound the same either. MB1 sounds normal but MB2 has a much higher pitched click. I don't think they actually feel different so while annoying, I could've lived with this.

Annoyed with my RMA replacement, I decided to pick up a new Chroma from Best Buy (my seventh DA). Everything was perfect on this one except for MB4 which is too recessed. It's almost flush with the side of the mouse -- making it difficult to press with the edge of the thumb. On top of that, the button is quite mushy. This one's no good either. I also notice that the cable on this seventh one is significantly more flexible than the cable in the RMA replacement. This is how I remembered my Chroma's cable -- very flexible. I also notice the coating on this one is slightly different from the RMA replacement. A bit smoother.

So out of seven DAs, that's one good one out-of-the box that eventually developed the double-clicking problem. I've contacted Razer about the issue with my RMA and they're going to send me another replacement Chroma. Crossing my fingers.

P.S. Aside from the DA, my only other experience with Razer was with their blue-switch BlackWidow mechanical keyboard. This was back when they were still using Cherry MX switches. I ultimately decided I didn't like blue switches for gaming, but something I noticed with the keyboard was that there was a lot of inconsistency in the feel of switches. While the majority of the keys were clicky and tactile, there were quite a few that felt lighter than they should've been. A bad first impression with Razer.
post #548 of 1623
Been using my DAelite for a bit now and my only complaint is that rmb does feel a little mushy compared to lmb. Not sure if it's just mine - but I've seen multiple people bring it up, so I'm assuming it probably has something to do with the shell design or something (think it also has something to do with where my fingers are positioned on the buttons due to how I grip it - If I do a full on hardcore palm grip, it seems to click fine). Love everything else about it. Overall, much better than the two 403s I tried.
post #549 of 1623
If i didn't have such rampant issues with every Razer product I ever owned then I would definitely like to try this out but unfortunately for them I stick to whats been good to me and what works. The designs have never really been the issue, as I loved the shape of my 2012 DA but it should of lasted way longer for the price it was, same goes with the 2nd one... and that headset I used to have... and that blackwidow....
post #550 of 1623
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Originally Posted by VESPA5 View Post

Why not just stick with what works best for you? There are NO companies out there that are immune to QC issues. It just so happens that the companies that do sell a lot of mice tend to have the most hit and miss criticisms regarding their products. The QC complaints about Razer products have reached legendary status (yet I'm one of the few who never got a dud of a DeathAdder - yet).

The G403 is nowhere near what a G502 is. Plus, if you're used to the DA shape, you might be disappointed in the G403 - it's smaller and narrower than the DA. Is it a bad mouse? That's highly subjective. You can't really go wrong either way.

Well one reason is I'm completely against Synapse. I've had all of my DA eventually do the double click issue after a year or so, just felt like poorly made product for not lasting that long after moderate use so I want to try something else
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