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Actually the notion of them doing a simple refresh along these lines would suggest that they do not have much to fear.

If they have nothing to fear then why do a refresh at all at this time?
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People do realize this article a full year old correct? Did anyone even read any bit of the article? Mentions nothing about a Pascal refresh, in fact these are all rumors of Pascal which is already out...
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I was going to say something, but then I also realized the article is a year old. rolleyes.gif
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If they have nothing to fear then why do a refresh at all at this time?


They can essentially rebrand their current line up and sell a similar product with no RD budget or manufacturing concerns. If they were pressured by AMD they would need a performance increase and push Volta ahead of schedule.
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2 years later.....Nvidia 1160 faster than 1080. Nvidia 1170 faster than Titan XP. Titan XV faster than 1080s in SLI.biggrin.gif
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They're probably talking Q2-3 17. A new 1070Ti with DDR5X and higher clock, beating/matching the 1080 at $500 to counter Vega in price/perf?
If they dont oncrease SP number there is zero chance this refreshed 1070 will be even close to GTX1080 performance.
They need add minimum 128SP and enable 4th GPC then it will be very close with 10-11Ghz GDDR5x.
Current desktop GTX1070 have only 1920SP with 3x GPC(mobile version have 2048sp with 4xGPC and is 10% faster at same clock)
Refresh should have minimum 2048SP with 4xGPC and with 10-11Ghz GDDR5x it will be very close to stock GTX1080.

Like only 10-15% slower max and not 25-35% like todays GTX1070.
Edited by headd - 9/27/16 at 2:41pm
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I had gone to bed, stood up again and see this thread, I bit funny I posted ealier in the gtx 1070 thread:

 

If cards next year are just a next gen Pascal with faster memory and some small changes and boost 4.0, slower 1070 make sense. It could just be economic optimization, but then Intel supposedly have design rules for what size laptop a given CPU can be used in, so who knows, we just have to live with it.

 

EDIT: Dont know how to link to post?


Edited by G woodlogger - 9/27/16 at 2:44pm
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No Ti rumors? Bleh
They want Ti buyers to become Titan buyers.

They're going to make you guys wait longer and longer for Ti releases. If AMD can't offer competition for the Ti performance-bracket, they'll probably stop the Ti line altogether.

Ideally, you'd think they'd want continuity of the Titan segments. You wouldn't want a Titan-equivalent product on the market at the same time as a Titan product. For maximum milking, you'd want Titan to be it's own line and always have a significant lead over the x80 Ti product.



I guess we'll find out. With a 5bn budget, AMD doesn't seem to have the money to compete in both the graphics and CPU market. NV has a 5bn budget, and Intel has a 55bn budget. AMD can't keep it up forever and we've seen a steady, slow decline since Bulldozer flopped. Poor ATi; if they weren't aqcuired by AMD in 2009, they probably wouldn't have sold their mobile ARM product segment to Qualcomm. They'd be swimming in money by now, and I'd probably be writing a post about how people need to support NV because ATi's become a monster.

In the last 3 years, AMD has only released 4 new graphics chips. Hawaii, Tonga, Fiji, and Polaris. NV has released high end Kepler products, the entire Maxwell segment, and all the new Pascal products.

For AMD, an entire product line might be the kind of investment they can never recover from unless it's a slam dunk. That's a gamble they'd be silly to make; the market is too volatile. They've had their giant successes, but look how they turned out; they went all-in, made that slam dunk product, and got shut down by illegal back door deals between Intel executives, and also by consumer ignorance. Then we had Bulldozer, where they went all-in and failed to produce the product itself. Now Zen is coming down the pipeline, and aiming to be the next Opteron. It seems that Zen comes at the expense of their graphics division, and if it isn't a repeat of Bulldozer it could easily be a repeat of prior successes that still failed thanks to corporate espionage.

It's a shame that ATi's future is tied up in AMD's battle against Intel now. They're not better off, from the looks of things. If AMD does succeed, though, it'll be in a big way and it'll bring back the kind of competition we haven't seen since the 2000's.

That would make enthusiast PC products exciting again. I haven't been interested in years, honestly. Even when there is competition, neither of the players are taking risks. NV / Intel enjoy their inflated prices, and AMD is aiming for second best because real competition would lead to financial ruin for them. When they win, it needs to be big. That's not an easy task for a shattered corporation.
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They want Ti buyers to become Titan buyers.

They're going to make you guys wait longer and longer for Ti releases. If AMD can't offer competition for the Ti performance-bracket, they'll probably stop the Ti line altogether.
Yes exactly and true. iam not much amd fan but situation starting by critical.. Ti maybe.. if.. in 2017 . when amd comming with vega 10
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Good luck trying to get them when they come out rolleyes.gif
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