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And those who see all predictions made by global warmers have failed to pass and the models warmers use don't even take into account the SUN with regards to climate. Beyond retarded. All predictions wrong, don't include the sun, but very credible. Oh and caught cooking the numbers too.
Oh and seen as global warming wasn't working, changed to climate change, because ya know, without humans, the climate was always the same.

Friends of government get a pass on the carbon tax to "fight" global warming, smaller companies get raped and competition of the largest companies go out of business.

Whilst actual pollution continues unchecked and rich people flying around in private jets preach to cut your carbon footprint.
Confirmation bias thumb.gif. You really aren't taking an objective look at it are you?
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It's interesting how you can watch the areas below the equator absorbing CO2 and giving off Oxygen. It happens daily, so I'm pretty sure that's what's being shown.

The landmass above the equator is evidently not "breathing" hard enough to meet the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Looks like the jet streams are preventing northern CO2 from going to the South.



There's less land mass south of the equator, which is why we can propably see those daily "exhales." I wonder what they'd look like if we could see them in the North?

I bet our landmass is increasing like crazy with all the carbon being pulled from under ground.. although I guess that's where it came from. It's probably adding to the Earth in the form of living matter, though. The Ocean is also absorbing a lot of it, from the looks of it.

I wonder how that effects tectonic plates and the food chain in these areas?

Pretty neat article that doesn't need to be converted into a battle of ignorant views in favor of or against climate change related beliefs.
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I just looked BulletBait's graphs, checked other sources, found the same info presented by credible sources (often scientists.)

To me this is a question of faith in certain scientists / politicians, not a question of faith in science itself. It's not even a question of faith in climate change; it's a question of faith in human-caused climate change. And if this climate change is human caused, it's a moral question and a question of realism surrounding the way people plan to deal with it.

Population control? Deny energy to developing worlds? Reduce our own energy consumption and risk becoming economically or militarily weaker than other nations? By the way, what if those other nations don't believe us, and will only end up buying up fuel that we decide not to?

What if we lose our influence and can't force China / Russia to adhere to our plans to stop global warming? If it truly is a question of survival for the human race, do we stop them now? If not, when?



No, people who deny or question human-caused climate change and the implications of it are not just scared. They're not just worried about their money. They're worried about faith driven decisions, when those people asking for our faith are not giving us realistic information to make decisions.. yet still forcing us to make a decision.

Not as simple as you want it to be. The world isn't sunshine and lollipops; if we aren't being given information about decisions, we need to remain skeptical about the implications of passive approval. We need to know what it means to fight climate change. It does not mean magical free energy. To some, it might mean eugenics, or genocide. To some, it might mean food can't be delivered to their bustling populations. Fossil fuels are a product of American industrialism, which is a product of American freedom, which is a product of rebellion against the British Empire, which many still view to be a reckless thing that led to THIS destabilization of the world.

I'm not saying that's a good point of view, I'm saying that people abroad might hold this point of view. Possibly certain religious extremists, or maybe entire countries who fought against American influence just in the last two world wars.

Global warming is kind of a big deal when you're in China, Russia, The Middle East, Argentina, Vietnam, South America, Cuba, Ukraine, Turkey.. I don't know? It's a long list of people who rely on America to keep the oil flowing to their country. The thought of American politicians and possibly military viewing global warming as a threat to America.. that MIGHT cause certain world leaders to be concerned about what America will do as the world's military, economic, and energy superpower.

Or maybe it's just that climate denying is stupid because science.


The people that are touting "Global Warming" and "Climate Change" are the same people paying for the research. Funny how that works. I don't trust science that is paid for by agenda driven politicians who are trying to scare people to only see one way of thought. Before, in the late 60s and throughout the 70s it was "Global Cooling" brought about by carbon emissions. Now it is warming brought about by the same thing. Give it another 10 years. The truth is, we don't know anything about why the climates may be changing. Is there a bunch more pollution than before? You bet there is but, here in America we are supposed to feel like we are the only polluter here on Earth. However, when you look at places like China that is polluting at an astronomical rate compared to the US, and China gets a pass on it, you have to wonder if these crusaders are really in it for the good of Earth or are they in it for the good of themselves. Climate change is just like war, it is very profitable and a lot of politicians are profiting from it. That is how politicians work. Look up how many politicians invested in insurance companies before health insurance was required. It isn't crooked necessarily but it is almost like fixing the outcomes to make a profit. Funny how that works. Politicians pass laws to pad their own pocket.

When you have seen all that I have seen in my 40 years here on Earth you realize that A) that isn't very long compared to how old the Earth is. B) We only get about 90yrs here to figure things out So you better figure it out quick. C) Politicians will always be corrupt and even when they are fresh and true they eventually become corrupt because "All Politicians are Corrupt."

Cooling or Warming, what is the difference. In the grand scheme of things we really matter very little with what happens in the next 100yrs here on Earth. If we have polluted the Earth enough to cause climates to change, then it is far too late to fix it. Second, there are more reputable scientists that are more worried about a polar shift than of man made climate change. i would pay attention to them as that would have even more devastating results. Check that out. Nothing we can do about that either as the Earth poles are theorized (and that is where these are scientists and not the climate change quacks) to change every so often with some pretty huge issues. Just my two cents. You hand out a controversial topic and all the quacks(me) come out to play. HAHA
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meh. Yes the climate is changing. Yes people are accelerating that change. No I don't care.

The climate change extremists are all hot air and no show. They tell us we're overpopulated when it's not us with our tiny population densities that have a population problem. They tell us to give up our cars and houses. They tell us to stop consuming. All while extremists like david suzuki live the high life with 8 kids and 3 houses and more travel distance in a year then I'll have in a lifetime.

It's all about turning us back into peasants and wealth transfers.

We're supposed to live in tiny apartments because suburban living is destroying the earth. We're supposed to use public transit because cars are destroying the earth. We're not supposed to travel because traveling is destroying the earth. We're supposed to change our diets to simple gruel because meats and now things like almonds are destroying the earth. So basically we're supposed to live like peasants. Don't travel. Tiny dwellings we rent (peasants don't own houses). Simple foods. No vacationing. No vehicles (peasants don't own cars or trucks).

I'll give up meat when we get a yearly allotment of rich people to eat. I'll give up travel when the wealthy elite do. I'll give up my house (and commute) when the rich do.

So basically live the life you want others to live. If enough people believe in climate change and change their lifestyles then it will percolate through our culture. But using state violence to enforce your beliefs is just extremism of another brand.
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You mean Popular American.
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It doesn't help that we continue to destroy all the plant life that could be cleaning and filtering the air. But you need your malls and manufacturing facilities... mad.gif
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It doesn't help that we continue to destroy all the plant life that could be cleaning and filtering the air. But you need your malls and manufacturing facilities... mad.gif

Actually, blame it on the ones who clear trees for agriculture. Most forests are cleared to grow food. Food is a very huge consumer of water, fuel, and land mass. Plus, there is still farmers even down here in the South who practice the control burn field technique.
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It's interesting how you can watch the areas below the equator absorbing CO2 and giving off Oxygen. It happens daily, so I'm pretty sure that's what's being shown.

The landmass above the equator is evidently not "breathing" hard enough to meet the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Looks like the jet streams are preventing northern CO2 from going to the South.


Reason the equator has the breathing is because over half or more of the plants exist in the Tropical rain forests at the equator. Plants just love a lot of sun and rain, and the equator has a good amount of both. What is crazy amount of carbon it stores. It is believe to store over 250 billion tons of carbon.

Since the rain forests are of a great density down there. They actually do affect the weather patterns.
One of the sad facts about it. Only half of it remains from the 6 million square miles that use to exist.
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This pushing climate change because of a vested interest argument would be better if the science discounting climate change was not pushed by major vested interests such as big oil, coal, manufacturing, agriculture, etc. There is so much more money on the "we aren't sure" side it is completely ridiculous.

Claiming global climate change is being pushed by people out for money while ignoring all the people pushing against the idea because of money is being disingenuous.
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A recent study suggests plants can adapt to rising co2 levels. I therefore have to question the validity of the Scientific American article, and wonder if Scientific American has any ulterior motives. I despise climate alarmism.
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