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I guess it is time to release my genetically modified arctic jungle trees into the Canadian/Russian wasteland. I made sure they were invasive and adaptive as possible, no worries at all....

 

make sure they're man-eating

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The solution to all this is quite simple.

#1. Adopt large scale windfarms and geo-thermal energy plants.

#2. Offer massive tax credits/trade ins for switching to electric vehicles.

Do these 2 things for 10-15 years and the problem will be solved.

I guarantee it. thumb.gif
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Arctic Triffids?
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make sure they're man-eating
It will be part Pando(group-mind), Siphonophorae(specialization/nervous system), Homo Sapien(pseudo-brain/nervous system), and Coniferophyta-oriented jungle trees(diversity). Nothing could go wrong...
Edited by Seronx - 9/28/16 at 10:20am
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#2 only works if you're ok with strip mining for the lithium in the batteries.

Which is a whole other different kind of problem. Runoff, erosion, habitat destruction, deforestation, ect. ect.

Edit: Depends on demand. Current Li production is from evaporating minerals in salt sludge in two year batches. Not strictly strip mining, more like dredging, which still destroys habitat and is also very energy intensive. If demand were to skyrocket, you can be sure more extreme methods will be used to extract it and to find it any other place then the salt fields of Chile, Argentina, and Bolivia.
Edited by BulletBait - 9/28/16 at 10:29am
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The solution to all this is quite simple.

#1. Adopt large scale windfarms and geo-thermal energy plants.

#2. Offer massive tax credits/trade ins for switching to electric vehicles.

Do these 2 things for 10-15 years and the problem will be solved.

I guarantee it. thumb.gif

#1 - not wind farms. They actually produce the same or greater CO2 emissions per MWh than modern nuclear plants, and that includes the mining of the fuel, construction of the plant, decommissioning, and storage of the waste.
Source

Added to that is the poor availability (~25-30%), massive space requirements, unpredictability, and short lifespans which make wind energy more of a 'look good, feel good' energy source than an effective one.

Better nuclear plants and ultimately fusion plants are the path we should be following. For peak load we can actually generate syngas using the excess energy and then burn that to cover peak load. Incidentally, that can also be used to power cars in a very similar manner to gasoline.

#2 - we need better battery tech, or an alternative approach like syngas.
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Why aren't there incentives for lower carbon levels when we have them for all sorts of electric projects? I think we can reach similar success rates using archaea and nut bearing trees. Archaea fixate carbon and nut trees supply us with vital b1 solving the our comprehension deficit due to its lack thereof in modern dietary habits.
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#2 - we need better battery tech, or an alternative approach like syngas.

EMDrive for cars! Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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#1 - not wind farms. They actually produce the same or greater CO2 emissions per MWh than modern nuclear plants, and that includes the mining of the fuel, construction of the plant, decommissioning, and storage of the waste.
Source

Added to that is the poor availability (~25-30%), massive space requirements, unpredictability, and short lifespans which make wind energy more of a 'look good, feel good' energy source than an effective one.

Better nuclear plants and ultimately fusion plants are the path we should be following. For peak load we can actually generate syngas using the excess energy and then burn that to cover peak load. Incidentally, that can also be used to power cars in a very similar manner to gasoline.

#2 - we need better battery tech, or an alternative approach like syngas.

We have better battery tech, most of it is locked down through patents
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If you look at that graph and think about it logically, look at the Amazon Rainforest region... imagine if that ever gets overwhelmed with red... I honestly think that would be the last lung of the Earth gone, compounding interest of carbon, and rapid change climate speaking. You can sort of see as the graph moves through its timeline, the Amazon Rainforest almost looks like a lung breathing... interesting.

This is a rather whimsical and not all that accurate or useful of an analogy.
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And those who see all predictions made by global warmers have failed to pass and the models warmers use don't even take into account the SUN with regards to climate.

Both of these statements are false.
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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

It's interesting how you can watch the areas below the equator absorbing CO2 and giving off Oxygen. It happens daily, so I'm pretty sure that's what's being shown.

That map only shows CO/CO2 concentrations. The reason it's lower in the southern hemisphere is because the majority of people live in the northern hemisphere.
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If we have polluted the Earth enough to cause climates to change, then it is far too late to fix it.

Too late to reverse things with any practical measures, certainly, but not too late to slow damage to a more manageable rate and mitigate future problems.

Regardless, what can or cannot, or what should or should not, be done shouldn't have any impact on one's interpretation of what is.
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Second, there are more reputable scientists that are more worried about a polar shift than of man made climate change.

No credible scientist doubts either periodic magnetic pole reversal (which we are currently in the early stages of), nor anthropogenic climate change. Both have mountains of empirical evidence backing them up.
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Most climate "sciences" are hypothesis and not facts. There are no proven numbers and yet they push this as science fact.

Also false.

If it doesn't follow the scientific method, it's not science. Real science, with scientific theories that have been well substantiated with empirical observations, show that humanity's contribution to climate change is real and non-trivial.
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The solution to all this is quite simple.

If there were a simple solution, it would have been adopted already.
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If there were a simple solution, it would have been adopted already.

So long as 'simple' includes 'cost effective' or 'profitable', then yes.
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