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I disagree, i think we are hard pressed into looking and preparing for alternative locations, Earth is going to hell in a handbasket.
Isn't that being a bit hysterical? As far as natural resources go, Earth and it's population will be completely fine for hundreds (if not thousands) of years to come.

Lets put it this way - investing money/time/effort into utilizing Earth's resources better would be quite literally millions of times more efficient, effective, and practical than rocketing off into space in vain hope of settling on a barren rock which barely has an atmosphere.
For example, building entire cities on water on earth is far more plausible than building a city on on the moon or mars.

This planet has more than enough resources and space to sustain us for a very long time to come.

I'm all for supporting space exploration, but that should mainly involve building more powerful telescopes and detectors on earth (or in orbit). Those things let us gather FAR more information about the universe than wasting resources in launching actual humans into space.
Edited by Xuvial - 9/28/16 at 10:42pm
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on our way to hit a type 1 civilization, i wonder if we'll ever make it to type 2 or higher
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As long as they can send a yearly batch of videogames, I'm not sure if I would care whether I'm stuck on Earth or stuck on Mars.

Actually, scratch that. As long as Star Citizen is done before I go, I wouldn't care whether I'm on Earth or on Mars... (We all know what jokes you're thinking of now, I'll laugh sarcastically in advance. Ha, ha, ha.)
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As long as they can send a yearly batch of videogames, I'm not sure if I would care whether I'm stuck on Earth or stuck on Mars.

Actually, scratch that. As long as Star Citizen is done before I go, I wouldn't care whether I'm on Earth or on Mars... (We all know what jokes you're thinking of now, I'll laugh sarcastically in advance. Ha, ha, ha.)

Assuming we're not both dead before either the game or a successful means of transport are finished tongue.gif
post #25 of 93
Hey guys, today's chips the size of a finger nail have more computational power than the entire apollo program that went to the moon.

Don't be fooled by your government telling you it's impossible, it is not. The problem is money.

Want to educate yourself a lil bit? watch "Moon Machines" and "When we left Earth".

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post #26 of 93
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Isn't that being a bit hysterical? As far as natural resources go, Earth and it's population will be completely fine for hundreds (if not thousands) of years to come.

This planet has more than enough resources and space to sustain us for a very long time to come.

Why do you only consider resources and space? Yes, I agree that as far as bare necessities are concerned - amount of food, water, air and space - we will be fine for an unforeseeable amount of time. However, that is not all there is to be considered. Looking at the geological timeline, we haven't had a major, extinction-level disaster in some time. Massive volcanic eruptions are overdue and statistically-wise, we should be getting hit by a medium to large space object at some point in the near future, and strictly historically-wise, we are at the edge of another ice age, it's what the clock says. Not to mention a single solar flare can fry the whole planet in matter of seconds, and can not be predicted or avoided.

But luck-based phenomenon aside, Fukushima is currently dumping 300 tons of highly radioactive water daily in the pacific ocean - the source of half the world's food. And humanity does not have the physical ability to limit this contamination for the next 10 years at least. By the time this is handled, the radiation background of the entire planet will have risen dramatically, due to this one accident alone. And this is all official data, not speculation. What of accidents yet to happen? What of accidents we do not know about? What of contaminants other than radiation? Sure, we have resources and space. But until we have viable means to handle radiation, contamination, unbalance in the ecosystems, major sea level rise, major temperature fluctuations, and fine ash clouds from either volcanic activity or collision, our best hope to protect our species from extinction, is to spread, to colonize. And considering how long it would take to establish a viable colony, we have no time to waste. 2cents.gif
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post #27 of 93
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Looking at the geological timeline, we haven't had a major, extinction-level disaster in some time. Massive volcanic eruptions are overdue and statistically-wise, we should be getting hit by a medium to large space object at some point in the near future, and strictly historically-wise, we are at the edge of another ice age, it's what the clock says.

This is not how probability works. Just because you flipped fifty heads in a row doesn't mean you are 'overdue' for a tails, nor does it give you better than a 50% chance of flipping tails next. Also, the next ice age has almost certainly been postponed or canceled by our actions...not that it's absence is automatically going to aid human survival.

I do agree that we should have some redundancy, and sooner rather than later, but most of the sort of cataclysms you mention are not scheduled and cannot be overdue.
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Why do you only consider resources and space? Yes, I agree that as far as bare necessities are concerned - amount of food, water, air and space - we will be fine for an unforeseeable amount of time. However, that is not all there is to be considered. Looking at the geological timeline, we haven't had a major, extinction-level disaster in some time. Massive volcanic eruptions are overdue and statistically-wise, we should be getting hit by a medium to large space object at some point in the near future, and strictly historically-wise, we are at the edge of another ice age, it's what the clock says. Not to mention a single solar flare can fry the whole planet in matter of seconds, and can not be predicted or avoided.

But luck-based phenomenon aside, Fukushima is currently dumping 300 tons of highly radioactive water daily in the pacific ocean - the source of half the world's food. And humanity does not have the physical ability to limit this contamination for the next 10 years at least. By the time this is handled, the radiation background of the entire planet will have risen dramatically, due to this one accident alone. And this is all official data, not speculation. What of accidents yet to happen? What of accidents we do not know about? What of contaminants other than radiation? Sure, we have resources and space. But until we have viable means to handle radiation, contamination, unbalance in the ecosystems, major sea level rise, major temperature fluctuations, and fine ash clouds from either volcanic activity or collision, our best hope to protect our species from extinction, is to spread, to colonize. And considering how long it would take to establish a viable colony, we have no time to waste. 2cents.gif

Most would call that fear mongering.
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I disagree, i think we are hard pressed into looking and preparing for alternative locations, Earth is going to hell in a handbasket.

There will be no better place then earth. The rich destroy it and they blame it on all of us and instill in people's minds population and taxation controls.

They have tech to curtail any impact people are making but again it interferes with the current power structure/oil/planet exploitation based economies.
 
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Most would call that fear mongering.
Most are not incredibly intelligent engineers, either. Is that the point you want to make?
    
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