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I know what you mean. To be honest, if everyone would get their head out of there rear and try to be productive for once in their lives, humanity could do something wonderful.
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Generally I'm surprised at all the negativity in this thread, these are important steps we are taking as a species. Sure, we may fail at the our few attempts but I'm sure we will learn from our mistakes. Our long term survival depends on spreading beyond our planet and beyond our solar system.
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This is a waste of time when we got no viable technology that travel in space at reasonable commute time.
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This is a waste of time when we got no viable technology that travel in space at reasonable commute time.

A 2.5 - 5 month commute time w/ an architecture like this is the least of our worries for a mars landing and future colonization.
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"Can use and store energy which reaches its planet from the neighboring star."

By that definition, even a brainless plankton floating in the ocean is a Type 1 because it uses and stores energy from the sun. Doesn't take much for such a tiny amount of energy.

The correct definition is "can use and store ALL the energy that falls on the planet from the neighboring star". Which would mean creating a solar panel as big as the planet, or producing equivalent energy through other means (e.g. nuclear fusion on a mass scale). In that regard we're making big strides, but not quite there yet.

Keep in mind Type 2 is "harnessing ALL the energy of it's neighboring star" which is a colossal jump over Type 1.

Michio Kaku explains it better.
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A type 1 civilization has harnessed planetary power, they control earthquakes, the weather, volcanoes, they have cities on the ocean. Anything on the planet they control.
This is the only quote I could get from him on the subject, but I have heard him speak on it many times but can't directly quote it. He goes on to say we are capable of harnessing all the energy on the planet we live on. We are able to harness lighting, make our own weather, stop earthquakes or make earthquakes happen, completely control the environment, do anything that is possible within the realm of our planet. If we want it to rain in this city, we make it rain, if we there to be no rain, we can do that too. Anything that can be done on a planetary scale we will be able to do
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A type 2 civilization is stellar, they have exhausted the energy of a planet, and they get their energy from their mother star, they don't just get a suntan on the weekend, they use solar flares. They use the power of the sun itself to energize their huge machines..

This means we can use and completely exhaust the power of a star, and control the star itself.
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Eventually they exhaust the power of a star, and they go galactic. They harvest the power of billions of stars within a galaxy. For example Buck Rodgers would correspond to a type 1 civilization. Star Trek and the Federation would correspond to a type 2 civilization. The Empire from Star Wars would correspond with a type 3 civilization.

At stage 3 we would be able to control and harvest energy from mostly anything in a Galaxy.
    
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Are we not Tier 1? Do we not collect and store energy from the sun?

I see someone's already mentioned Michio Kaku's explanation of the Kardev scale, but that's how it was explained to me by my high school astronomy teacher.

Type 1 or Tier 1 civs have absolute power over their planet, do not rely on fossil fuels, have a singular government, do not engage in wars with themselves, and have get much of their energy from renewable sources. They typically are also space-faring, but do not venture too far beyond their solar system. Tier 1 civs, IMO, also do not have warp speed drives and faster-than-light travel. I don't think even a Tier 2 civ could achieve it locally on the ship, they'd have to shoot it through an enormous accelerator powered by energy harvested from the sun.
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This is a waste of time when we got no viable technology that travel in space at reasonable commute time.

If we make amends to the international space treaty, which forbids the use of nuclear weapons in space, we could resurrect Project Orion and use nuclear explosives to shorten the Mars trip time tremendously. We could build those engines really, really quickly.
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Generally I'm surprised at all the negativity in this thread, these are important steps we are taking as a species. Sure, we may fail at the our few attempts but I'm sure we will learn from our mistakes. Our long term survival depends on spreading beyond our planet and beyond our solar system.
Right? Technological evolution, especially gigantic leaps like this, always seems incommensurate. This is also a paradigm shift for everyone not already involved in space exploration. But nothing ever gets done if it depends on the approval of the masses. And this thinking is particularly apparent in this thread. We've gone from "come on, everyone knows we can't do it" to "but, like, do we really need to do it?"; everything seems to be a good excuse to postpone the future or forfeit the idea that some things aren't obvious enough.

I mean, one would think we had a bunch of aerospace engineers, judging by the amount of apparently knowledgeable comments in this thread.
    
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possible but not practical, its still cheaper to colonize the deep sea.

plus look, we've got like 70% of earth's entire surface area covered in deep sea regions thats mostly unoccupied.
Edited by epic1337 - 9/30/16 at 2:51am
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I guess you guys should all contact SpaceX and tell the company and their 5.000 employees how wrong they are in almost every way, looking at the response here you guys all know better then the educated people who do this for a living.
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I guess you guys should all contact SpaceX and tell the company and their 5.000 employees how wrong they are in almost every way, looking at the response here you guys all know better then the educated people who do this for a living.

+1, but that aside, I'm shocked at how worried people are about what a private company does with its money biggrin.gif This is not NASA, people, it's not your taxes, allow your inner kid to be amazed at space stuff without thinking about money for once, it's not your money, you don't get to have an opinion on where it should be spent.
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