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I would love to go all SSD for storage. But I don't think that will happen anytime soon. For games and software that benefits from having the speed of an SSD it's all on my 1TB 850 pro. But for all my series and movies and music and really old games, there really is no benefit. Onto the HDD you go, and in my experience my HDD's are no noisier then the rest of my system. I suppose it helps that my HDDs are on vibration dampners and also only spin up when needed.

Currently in my system I have what must be around a 4 year old Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD502HI that's still trucking. And still no reallocated sectors. So that's good. And also a bunch of year and a half to two year old WD blues in my machine.

I just put a Seagate surveillance drive in my moms machine as the main OS drive. There was just something about a drive that is designed to be tortured with surveillance duty and the amount of writes to the drive, that makes it seems that it has an edge in reliability over a standard drive. Hoping to see how it copes with the far less stressful life of a mom drive.

As for NVMe. It's great and all. And I can really see the benefit of it for power users and guys who wanna go all out and have the fastest system alive. But I think for the time being, current SATA 6Gb/s drives are still enough for the majority of users. And will be for a while to come. Especially since mainstream users don't have much more than a 4K que depth.
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You can get 3tb drives for like 60-70 bucks.  2tb for like 50 bucks.  8tb for like 210.

What has this got to do with my 7 year old drive?

 

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I would love to go all SSD for storage. But I don't think that will happen anytime soon. For games and software that benefits from having the speed of an SSD it's all on my 1TB 850 pro. But for all my series and movies and music and really old games, there really is no benefit. Onto the HDD you go, and in my experience my HDD's are no noisier then the rest of my system. I suppose it helps that my HDDs are on vibration dampners and also only spin up when needed.

Currently in my system I have what must be around a 4 year old Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD502HI that's still trucking. And still no reallocated sectors. So that's good. And also a bunch of year and a half to two year old WD blues in my machine.

I just put a Seagate surveillance drive in my moms machine as the main OS drive. There was just something about a drive that is designed to be tortured with surveillance duty and the amount of writes to the drive, that makes it seems that it has an edge in reliability over a standard drive. Hoping to see how it copes with the far less stressful life of a mom drive.

As for NVMe. It's great and all. And I can really see the benefit of it for power users and guys who wanna go all out and have the fastest system alive. But I think for the time being, current SATA 6Gb/s drives are still enough for the majority of users. And will be for a while to come. Especially since mainstream users don't have much more than a 4K que depth.

SSD's are not reliable as long term storage, as they lose charge the data that is stored on them becomes corrupted.

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...SSD's are not reliable as long term storage, as they lose charge the data that is stored on them becomes corrupted.

That was disproven quite some time ago. See http://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention and http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ssd-wont-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html.
     
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...SSD's are not reliable as long term storage, as they lose charge the data that is stored on them becomes corrupted.

That was disproven quite some time ago. See http://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention and http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ssd-wont-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html.

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You can get 3tb drives for like 60-70 bucks.  2tb for like 50 bucks.  8tb for like 210.
What has this got to do with my 7 year old drive?
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I would love to go all SSD for storage. But I don't think that will happen anytime soon. For games and software that benefits from having the speed of an SSD it's all on my 1TB 850 pro. But for all my series and movies and music and really old games, there really is no benefit. Onto the HDD you go, and in my experience my HDD's are no noisier then the rest of my system. I suppose it helps that my HDDs are on vibration dampners and also only spin up when needed.


Currently in my system I have what must be around a 4 year old Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD502HI that's still trucking. And still no reallocated sectors. So that's good. And also a bunch of year and a half to two year old WD blues in my machine.


I just put a Seagate surveillance drive in my moms machine as the main OS drive. There was just something about a drive that is designed to be tortured with surveillance duty and the amount of writes to the drive, that makes it seems that it has an edge in reliability over a standard drive. Hoping to see how it copes with the far less stressful life of a mom drive.


As for NVMe. It's great and all. And I can really see the benefit of it for power users and guys who wanna go all out and have the fastest system alive. But I think for the time being, current SATA 6Gb/s drives are still enough for the majority of users. And will be for a while to come. Especially since mainstream users don't have much more than a 4K que depth.
SSD's are not reliable as long term storage, as they lose charge the data that is stored on them becomes corrupted.
SSD's are arguably far more reliable than HDD's. The controller chip or a capacitor on the SSD will go long before the NAND wears out. And since a Samsung 850 EVO which is arguably a mid range SSD comes with a 5 year warranty, is the same as a WD black which is a much higher end HDD. Normal consumer HDD's only have a two to three year warranty. Spend a little more on a 850Pro drive and you get 10 years. How can SSD's not be more reliable than HDD's when warranty's are calculated on MTBF's?
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I'll always have use for hard drives...if that goes I guess I'm forced to buy tape.
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SSD's are arguably far more reliable than HDD's. The controller chip or a capacitor on the SSD will go long before the NAND wears out. And since a Samsung 850 EVO which is arguably a mid range SSD comes with a 5 year warranty, is the same as a WD black which is a much higher end HDD. Normal consumer HDD's only have a two to three year warranty. Spend a little more on a 850Pro drive and you get 10 years. How can SSD's not be more reliable than HDD's when warranty's are calculated on MTBF's?

If you read what I wrote I never questioned the quality or endurance of the NAND or controller, I questioned the ability of NAND to retain electrons.

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I got my 960GB SSD for $165 USD. I say that's a very good price. You get about 4TB HDD for the price. Once its 2x the cost of HDD than people will consider SSD over HDD even for storage.

Was this a flash / Black Friday sale? I remember buying my 250GB Samsung 840 for about $180 CAD about three years ago...
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Was this a flash / Black Friday sale? I remember buying my 250GB Samsung 840 for about $180 CAD about three years ago...

It was a one day deal. I got my Ultra II for the same price. I am now awaiting Black Friday to get another for RAID0. I have had a hard drive fail in the meantime and I am sick of dealing with that crap. Another 1TB Ultra II (and a future 512GB 960 Evo M.2) will allow me to go SSD-only.

960 GB drives frequently go on sale for around $200, but I think it is worth waiting for $165.
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Was this a flash / Black Friday sale? I remember buying my 250GB Samsung 840 for about $180 CAD about three years ago...

It was the Amazon Prime sale. Black Friday had it too. That's the best time to buy SSD/HDD.
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Ishimura
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Silent Knight
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.6GHz ASRock Z77E-ITX eVGA GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid AVEXIR Blitz 1.1 16GB DDR3-2400MHz CL10 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB Toshiba X300 5TB Corsair H100i GTX eVGA Hybrid Water Cooler  
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
4x GentleTyphoon AP-15 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit LG OLED55C7P  Razer BlackWidow Chroma  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
eVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 Define Nano S Logitech G502 Proteus Core PECHAM Gaming Mouse Pad XX-Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 DAC Mackie CR Series CR3 Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Sennheiser HD 598 
Audio
Sony XB950BT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.2GHz ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB @ 1200/1500 2x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
OCZ Agility 3 60GB WD Caviar Green 1.5TB 2 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB XSPC Raystorm 
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EK-FC7970 XSPC RS360 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Corsair TX750 
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